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Rant: Creating a corp is not your god given right.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#21 - 2013-02-20 18:29:10 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:

Look, what I'm saying is that your corp needs competent vets to help protect and guide you,....


Are we playing the same game? The one where competence is equated to how well you can take advantage of other players?

The very last thing a bunch of new players needs to to have their game destroyed by trusting a veteran player. EVE is not a utopia. It's a dystopia. New players that huddle together are more likely to learn and survive than those that invite a vet into their fledgling corp.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#22 - 2013-02-20 18:30:48 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Edit: I should get an extra slice for thinking of this.

You should get nothing for promoting terrible pie.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2013-02-20 18:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Whitehound wrote:
For Christ's sake, check OP's corp history. Roll


Now check out what he does in game, most of it involves him robbing other corps blind and reallocating their ships atoms. That's why he has a colourful corp history.

I have one to, but my business involves providing corps with POS standings.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-20 18:31:56 UTC
Google Voices wrote:

Posting in, I'm a griefer and I hunt noobs for sport, and it's all your fault that you are a noob post....?


I am what many would consider a griefer, and I do kill noobs if they happen to be standing in the wrong spot. I also kill Golems, Orcas, and t3's, which are not noob ships. But because of the way these pilots are raised, their behavior is indistinguishable from that of noobs.

I dream of a highsec where successful corporations inform and protect their noobs, who pay it forward until there's a competent enough playerbase to make my work miserably difficult, rather than just whining to CCP about it.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-20 18:32:59 UTC
This is actually true and extremely poignant.

Self-appointed and utterly clueless hisec "bigmen" are a cancer on Eve.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#26 - 2013-02-20 18:34:21 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Edit: I should get an extra slice for thinking of this.

You should get nothing for promoting terrible pie.

Lol

That's it. PIE WARS!
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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-02-20 18:35:10 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:

Look, what I'm saying is that your corp needs competent vets to help protect and guide you,....


Are we playing the same game? The one where competence is equated to how well you can take advantage of other players?

The very last thing a bunch of new players needs to to have their game destroyed by trusting a veteran player. EVE is not a utopia. It's a dystopia. New players that huddle together are more likely to learn and survive than those that invite a vet into their fledgling corp.

Mr Epeen Cool


You make a fair point. As a random newbie, trusting me will probably get you murdered. On the other hand, if we actually become friends, then you get folded into The Skunkworks and we love and teach and support you and within two monthes you don't need that support anymore.

How can you tell if you're my friend or my victim, you might ask? My actual newbies I warn not to trust us and fly only cheap **** for several weeks. Then, if we kill you, you've only lost a t1 frig or cruiser. By then you should be able to tell if we're just ******* with you.

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Tesal
#28 - 2013-02-20 18:35:44 UTC
Ban Brave Newbies. Yay, we are saved.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-02-20 18:37:21 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

Oh for the love of God, just STFU.

If noobs could not make their own noob corp then you would still be stuck in an NPC corp.


I wouldn't mind if there was a stopgap measure between a "proper" player corp and the NPC corps. The FW corp comes to mind. Because it has something of a shared purpose there's a bit more interaction compared to the NPC corps. Plus no one is there unless they choose to be.

The thing is if you're new to MMOs and don't know any RL friends already playing, joining a srs bsns Eve corp is quite intimidating. Even Eve Uni had an application form and a voicechat interview if I remember correctly. Which is presumably necessary because of Mr Monk and similar persons.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-02-20 18:37:38 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

How many times have we read on here that someone "went to null sec, lost everything and went back to lvl 4 mission running"?



Never, actually. And I've been on these forums way too long.
Nullsec is unappealing because its the playground of the big alliances. Even the residents complain about a lot of its features. Its easily the weakest region of Eve at the moment.


I'm sorry, i couldn't hear you over the sound of the Vindicator BPC i just looted from a Serpentis 10/10. Could you repeat that?
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-02-20 18:38:38 UTC
Brave Newbies are an incredible outfit who I love to death. They're a statistical outlier, though. How many corps have there been that have successfully applied the model Brave Newbies are applying? Dreddit, Goonwaffe and... I think that may be it.

It's a great outfit, but the odds against it being a sustainable model for highsec corps to emulate are astronomical.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-20 18:42:35 UTC
Reminds me of what happened a few days ago.

I've noticed a corp called "Cruel Newbies Inc." (yes, very original, amiright?) and convo'd the CEO
of this one-man-corp. He was a noob too and wanted to create something similar, without any
clue of what to do or anything. I wouldn't actually worry about that, but there's a difference between
not knowing anything solo and not knowing anything as a team.

So ... i offered to teach him about the fun side of EvE ... and he had the audacity to tell me that
i could be his right side, while he'll become the master of all pirates (or something like that)
and that he didn't need to be taught anything.

So i just said "well, then ..." and closed the convo.
Seriously, some people are so ignorant, it's incredible.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-02-20 18:43:32 UTC
Takseen wrote:

I wouldn't mind if there was a stopgap measure between a "proper" player corp and the NPC corps. The FW corp comes to mind. Because it has something of a shared purpose there's a bit more interaction compared to the NPC corps. Plus no one is there unless they choose to be.

The thing is if you're new to MMOs and don't know any RL friends already playing, joining a srs bsns Eve corp is quite intimidating. Even Eve Uni had an application form and a voicechat interview if I remember correctly. Which is presumably necessary because of Mr Monk and similar persons.


Oh god. Eve Uni is among the worst for making cowards. Cowards who are only mildly less ignorant than the masses.

There are many ways to protect yourself from people like me without drowning your members in bureaucracy. In fact, weighing them down with such needless hoops is one of the most grievous of the wounds you're doing to them, making them believe that getting anything accomplished in this game requires arcane magics best left to high-order wizards.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#34 - 2013-02-20 18:43:47 UTC
Roime wrote:
Good post. From terrible NPC corp to terrible hisec corp that "does industry PVE exploration PVP nullsec and mining" is the best way to end your EVE career in three terrible weeks.

I feel like I have seen that exact phrase before on like a thousand corps.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#35 - 2013-02-20 18:44:11 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

So i just said "well, then ..." and closed the convo.
Seriously, some people are so ignorant, it's incredible.

Which why God invented Darwin. Nature will take its course...

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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#36 - 2013-02-20 18:44:14 UTC
Veteran players in highsec would rather not join, stick with, and help corps consisting of new players because it gets in the way of their isk making activities. Players in lowsec and null aren't likely to leave their good corps to join yours, and low and null are scary to new players anyways.

Plus the lack of existing corps in highsec, because they are unnecessary, really limits the ability for new players to learn from the leadership experiences of others. And it limits highsec players who want to play with other people because they are stuck with bad leaders like the one in the OP.

There needs to be a good reason why you would want to join and stay in a corp in highsec. Until then you will see the only successful player organizations in highsec be ones with leaders who have worked very hard and for a long time, like EVE University and RvB.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2013-02-20 18:46:09 UTC
I think the main point he is trying to make is that if you are going to start a corp as a relatively new player, try to avoid being more of a detriment to your corp members than a help. A CEO can inadvertantly do a lot of damage to his flock of newer players.

Don't be afraid to take chances and encourage others in your corp to do so, and never turn away experienced members or discount their advice (although just like all things in EvE protect yourself and your corp as you do so). This is how you learn and become a better leader, and this in turn helps your corp mates flourish by enjoying the game to the maximum amount that their available play time and personal skills allow.

He's not trolling new or inexperienced CEO's, he's pointing out how to avoid being a sterotypically bad one.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-02-20 18:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
EI Digin wrote:
Veteran players in highsec would rather not join, stick with, and help corps consisting of new players because it gets in the way of their isk making activities. Players in lowsec and null aren't likely to leave their good corps to join yours, and low and null are scary to new players anyways.

Plus the lack of existing corps in highsec, because they are unnecessary, really limits the ability for new players to learn from the leadership experiences of others. And it limits highsec players who want to play with other people because they are stuck with bad leaders like the one in the OP.

There needs to be a good reason why you would want to join and stay in a corp in highsec. Until then you will see the only successful player organizations in highsec be ones with leaders who have worked very hard and for a long time, like EVE University and RvB.


This sounds like a good argument for putting more limits on NPC corps and giving more advantages to player corps.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#39 - 2013-02-20 18:47:56 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Roime wrote:
Good post. From terrible NPC corp to terrible hisec corp that "does industry PVE exploration PVP nullsec and mining" is the best way to end your EVE career in three terrible weeks.

I feel like I have seen that exact phrase before on like a thousand corps.

LOL WERE A PVP CORP FROM NULLSEC NUBS

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#40 - 2013-02-20 18:48:41 UTC
To ensure quality members, I will only consider Capsuleers that have the same excellent standing with the Tash-Murkon Family as myself: 10.0

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