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DEV's AN outsider view of the game and desperate needed changes

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-02-20 14:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Angelica Cartalino wrote:
First let me start by saying I played EVE long before it was a MMO. I like the idea what and its about the only space game out there. I have three boys and I can honestly say we have all played Star Trek MMO ( fail), Star Wars MMO ( another fail) and currently two World of Warcraft accounts since the games creation. I have seen many MMOs and games come and go. I actually bought this game when it came out but never opened it up. Maybe it is my fault but it never showed much publicity.

Since this past month of playing if you call it that I've lost my ships, there's basically no help and all the old timers don't explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start, catch up, or really want to play. I'm sure all the old players will complain and shoot their mouths off. However look at this from a new player's perspective. If you buy a game in which there's really no way to get to any level of the older players ( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life) why would you want to play?

Granted the game has evolved 10 fold just like world of World of Warcraft; but people can still catch up and still play with the bigger boys in the game. You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? To me that seems stupid, so the only players that stay playing are free players? I've sat for literally one month training skills only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Why would any new player plan on paying for years when they can't progress much? I get it for the old timers, that being said but then again this game wasn't that evolved and players were all in the same boat when EVE first started. Now you have a huge disadvantage to new players.

I joined a corp just the other day and I mean seriously four of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people but, still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it. Something needs to change.

So many people I've talked to, have said buy a character its the only way. Are you kidding me? I'll quit before I buy a character or have to play 3 years to get up? Now don't get me wrong its a great game concept and the best space MMO but, just like Star Trek and Star Wars they lost all their players because of non-content. You are the complete opposite, so much content, no help, no understanding, so far behind that you cannot play with the main group, and years behind ( literately years behind to catch up). So I'm asking you developers please fix this or it will be the end to your great MMO for any new players wanting to join.

I cannot logically continuing playing a half dead game with years behind and pay to play when I could just buy any MMO and in a few months be part of the rest of the guys, talking and playing. No hard feelings I love this MMO but, I would have to buy an account or character to even talk and play with the group on here. There is no reason to buy a character since this place seems dead at least anywhere I can go and play in game. Feel free to contact me no hard feelings.


Put the op into a more readable format. OP pretty much all of your problems could be fixed if you found a corp you like.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-02-20 15:10:42 UTC
Angelica Cartalino wrote:

Since this past month of playing if you call it that I've lost my ships, there's basically no help and all the old timers don't explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start, catch up, or really want to play.



I had to stop reading right there.

I'd never played an MMO before. I downloaded the game, ran the tutorials, asked a lot of questions in rookie chat, asked questions in the new player forum here.

It seemed every day I was turning down several invites from new player friendly player run corporations that were looking for new recruits. The corp recruitment boards are still full of corps looking to recruit and train new players. I read the internets, talked to people, payed attention.

I had no trouble picking up the game.

Heck, it is even easier now that it was when I started. Now they have ISD's, official volunteer helpers, right in the rookie chat. Now you get eve mails pointing you to all kinds of helpful info and links. Now you get pinged by a CCP employee asking you if everything is working out well for you.

Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#43 - 2013-02-20 15:32:30 UTC
OP, as many have said, it is important to find a good player corp. I agree with you about documentation, much of the Wiki is out of date and ought to be updated, but there really is a great deal of information available if you look for it.

My corp has new players and 10 year vets. Our new guys are not 'behind' because of a lack of skill points. They enjoy nearly all aspects of the game, operate in low, high, wormhole and occasionally null space. In a recent corp t1 frigate tournament, one team of new guys trounced the grizzled vets thanks to creativity and great tactics.

The point is, much of this game is what you make of it. It can be difficult and frustrating at times. And yes, the learning curve can be a bit much if you are not around helpful people, but it is a hill worth climbing.

No good deed goes unpunished

Kobal81
HR..
#44 - 2013-02-20 15:44:35 UTC
You forgot to add "Fail" next to "Currently having two World of Warcraft accounts" also there is a lot reference material online created by players whether its PvP, PVE or indy. Reading is Fundalmentle

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-02-20 23:21:25 UTC
Started a year and a half ago... now own every sub capital Pirate and navy issue ship, nearly every T1 subcapital ship, and a number of T2 frigates, have something like 14 plex stockpiled...

I did have a bit of help - I started with a 21 day trial invite, and back then if the invitee used a plex, the inviter could still collect his reward.
So I had 51 days of free game time to start.
I managed to grind enough missions to plex in that time, I got a bit lucky early one when some noob that scanned down a deadspace complex was asking for help in local, ended up scooping 2 c-type items for roughly 250 million ISK, and I paid the other guy a mere 65 million for his share and he was happy.

Joined a corp, corp mate gave me use of a Nightmare, got into incursions, made lots of ISK. Incursions got nerfed, I got T2 guns and involved with a better incursion community... today I made 400 million isk in 3 hours...

I've given others usage of my faction battleships...
There are ways to get ahead... just try mission running at first, then get a battleship, then go to TvP, run some incursions - the premier group PvE activity in EVE - its easy to plex an account running those... from there, train your skills, upgrade your fittings, get a better ship, and join a more elite community for even more ISK.

Save up, train up, and buy yourself a carrier (which I'm about to do - to finally make the step up from battleships to capitals, even though carriers aren't much more expensive than Pirate battleships, and I have several pirate battleships) or a dreadnaught - now you're wielding one of the principle arms of nullsec and low sec aliances. Hopefully, by now, you've made some friends...

You can get ahead, you just have to do it right, and meet the right people
Whipple Shai
God is great Beer is good People are crazy
#46 - 2013-02-21 00:37:07 UTC
No.

I started playing at the end of November and I like Eve BECAUSE it's hard. My rule #5: Improvise, adapt and overcome. Try that. If I wanted to continue playing an instant gradification game, I'd go back to WoW, or Starcraft, or Diablo 3, or LoTR, or.... get the picture?

I tried a nullsec corp and found it not to my likeing. Now? I mine and run missions. I learn something new every log in. Sometimes I ask, sometimes the new knowledge finds me. Just yesterday I found that if I'm not careful before I shoot I can, and will, destroy the Retriever my other account is flying. Kind of sucked. But I learned from my mistake and wont do it again.

Be safe out there,
Whipple
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#47 - 2013-02-21 00:45:23 UTC
Soon as i seen the dreaded " WoW comparison " I Stopped reading. Please stop insulting our game by making comparisons to a kids game....... that is all......... Dismissed.

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Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-02-21 01:01:42 UTC
I read your post...Shocked...really, all I can advise is a couple of things.

1) If you are going to quit so easily, then this might not be the MMO you seek.
2) You get out of it what you put into it. If you quit, the game isn't going to beg you to stay, it will quit on you. But if you dig your teeth in, you can actually be rewarded in a myriad of ways.

The choice is yours, ultimately. Might I suggest a few sites for you...

This is a start

For a more meta view, go here

For Eve related topics, comedy, advice, etc. try here

These are some of my preferred sources of Eve related lore and knowledge, maybe they'll help you.

Hi.

dark heartt
#49 - 2013-02-21 01:04:31 UTC
The fact is that you are approaching Eve like a themepark MMO, which never works in this sandbox environment. The truth is that a new player with 3-5 million SP can kill a player who has been playing since launch if he thinks about his attack and makes it happen. I have flown with RvB and in that the newbies kill older players regularly. You can make billions of Isk as new player by working the market if you are smart.

However in the sandbox there is something you need to realise: YOU MAKE YOURSELF LEVEL. The only thing holding you back is an idea. You say that you have no way to make yourself level to older players. In what way? How can you say that when you have no idea what skills they have trained. You might be more than a match in the area you want to beat them. I've seen 3 or 4 day old characters tackling players who started in 2003/2004 thus allowing them to be killed. I've seen swarms of noob ships take out ships worth millions of isk (goonswarm back in the day for example).

A mindset is all that is between you and 'being level.' In other words it's on you to make yourself equal.

Also just to address some things you have said that are either misinformed or just flat out ignorant: You didn't play EVE before it was an MMO, as it was always an MMO.
The other games you mentioned are nothing to do with EVE as they are themepark MMO's not sandbox ones, so experience in them really doesn't help you.
There has always been only one server (so no they haven't 'lost servers').
Buying a character isn't the only way to become 'equal'. Its just a quick way to get into ships you want to fly.

And finally EVE is not 'half dead'... That statement is amazingly bad. EVE has been holding its numbers nicely since the issues in the Summer of Rage and the Jita Riots were addressed, increasing even. There is more interest in the game now that ever before and it will continue to run for years to come (touch wood).


It's probably already too late for you, as you seem to have made your mind up about what you want to do, but you should really take a breath and learn to adapt (I seem to be saying this a lot lately), because that will help you succeed in EVE more than SP or even ISK.
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-02-21 01:06:02 UTC
Hahaha... reading this thread with all the editing makes me laugh.... i wanna join in *cough* but then I might get banned for 30 days so I'll just say this... HTFU and do the tutorial missions scrub!!

_**Noob **_isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

  • Sun Tzu
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-02-21 01:25:37 UTC
A large concern of yours seems to be that you can't catch up to other people. What you don't seem to realize is that at some point training new skills doesn't result in much benefits while creating an even more expensive clone to insure.

Not sure you understand the 'buy a character' thing, either. This isn't WoW, you don't go buy a character from gold seller. You find one on the forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#52 - 2013-02-21 01:29:59 UTC
First let me start by saying I played EVE long before it was a MMO.

stopped reading there

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