EVE General Discussion

Let me start by saying I didn't read your post, because the grammar of the title gave me an aneurism, and I am only posting now, after some critical brain surgery.

"DEV's AN outsider view of the game and desperate needed changes"

I can only assume by this you MEANT to say;

"CCP Developers: An outsider's view of the game, and some desperately needed changes."

You're welcome.

Here are two things in desperate need of changes:

1. Your use of languange, specifically the employment of paragraphs and punctuation.
2. Your understanding of the mechanics and history of the game.

I did not read the OP because it was unreadable, but from the other answers I have sussed out that the fundamental problem is that you don't understand how EVE works. You think it's like most other MMOs you've tried, and you're making assumption about EVE based on those other MMOs. It's a bit like assuming you know how Civ works because you've played minesweeper.

EDIT: No personal attacks, please. - ISD Tyrozan

For some reason I actually read your un-paragraphed post...

This is true, not all of them but in general imo, it is. Eve has one of the worst tutorials I've seen on any MMOs I've played so far, but that's also partly (or you can say even mostly) because none of the games I've played were even comparable in depth compared to Eve. This game is hands down the most complex and has the deepest gameplay I've ever seen out of any games for that matter.



But this is when I start to disagree with you. I've played WoW for 3 years or so (among a dozen other MMOs), I can honestly say this. You got it wrong there, you are not meant to measure enjoyment, competence and competitiveness by the amount of skill points you have, this is actually one of the strongest point in Eve's design.

In other MMOs, the longer you play, the older your character is, the harder it is for new players to beat you, in most cases, it's even strictly impossible for newer players to beat veterans. Say in WoW for instance, a level 20 warrior, no matter how good you are are in playing, there is no way possible to beat a level 80 paladin, the game doesn't allow it to happen, the devs doesn't want that to happen.

In Eve, you can beat the crap out of a guy flying a 2bil isk ship with 50mil SP (that's a ~2 years old character) with a mere 3-5mil SP char in a frigate. In Eve, weeks old characters can make far far more isk than years old characters if you know what to do. You won't see that kind of stuff in a lot of other MMOs. Eve game mechanics rewards knowledge and social interaction above any other games I've played in the last 12 years. In Eve, new players weighs the same value as veterans, mainly because the players are what's important, not the characters nor their skillpoints, this short quote that I've taken shamelessly would probably describe this better : "Every rifter counts".



Your problem is quite simple, you joined the wrong corp.


The only thing that needs changing is your perspective, Eve doesn't work like other MMOs.


Those people are dumb and you shouldn't listen to them.


TL;DR version : As others have stated, you completely missed the point of how Eve works. You literally can't compare Eve with other MMOs out there, try to learn what you missed, join a corp that appreciates players more than their skillpoints. In short, figure out what Eve's all about.

Looked at op, read op, understood why no one wants to help him.

Not every game is made for everyone, and not everyone is smart enough to play every game.

Holy wall of text...

Theres plenty of new player friendly corporations arround. One of them just got special mention in community highlight, witch makes me think its dev alts corp and devs trying to see how bad wardeck griefing really is...

Lol, almost feel like i should join brave newbies, plenty of pew pew going arround i see..

The "Enter" key is such a big key on the keyboard. It's really hard to miss.

Please stop missing it.

Damn, that beats me. I didn't join until the TRS-80 version was out.

Noobs, A played EVE on an Abacus with Aristotle litterally Eons ago. You think lag is bad now, it took me 400 years to dock in Jita one time.

Although your wall of text is a bit hard to respond to. I'd suggest joining rvb as one of the options for yourself as a newbie.

Be forewarned we are mostly a PVP corp so you will need to drop/join the alt corp to earn isk. And we will gladly explode your ships when you undock them. But it is a place where you can be effective even as a relatively new player and see a variation of ship v. ship PVP that's available in EVE.

The other options would that you might want to look at are EVE-uni and Brave newbies inc.