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I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?

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Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#141 - 2011-10-26 02:01:31 UTC
Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too?

Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes?

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?

Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2011-10-26 06:28:44 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too?

Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes?



so... 0.0 ppl want it to...
and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then???
i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore???
Captain Octanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#143 - 2011-10-26 06:51:08 UTC
i live in null and i cant wait for the full thing. sure the hybrid fix is definitely a needed change! But cant they work on more then one project at a time?
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2011-10-26 07:12:27 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
so... 0.0 ppl want it to...
and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then???
i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore???

Hey look at you not knowing what you're talking about
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2011-10-27 01:37:47 UTC
I am hope that establishments is worked on slowly.
As it will give me an opportunity to sell goods at a higher price than bob from the shop at the other stations as I can provide value added to my produces.

In null sec I would limit the transactions to be between my corpies and some Items to be sold to blues.
This will allow me to place buy orders for my miners and sell orders for my Manufactures of only my own alliance. instead having some Back stabbing ally or Red come by and buy all my stuff and put it on the market at 20% mark up, In the end destroying the the alliance Manufacturing cycle in the remote rejoin of null sec.
It will help smaller alliances be self relyant.

Also if I am invading a region. Capture 1 system I want to be able to put up an establishment so I can sell supplies to my Blues involved in the fight Allowing us to refuel, recharge locally with out the worry of an Alliance with More Isk than I buying out our entire stock and crippling our advance.

Personally I think this will give an opportunity to allow us to show our Consumer loyalty. For example If I was a Miner.... which i am... I say a store selling the same Hulk, The Mittani Store had it for 190 mill isk and the Chribba Store had it for 200 Isk. I would buy it from Cribba as he has done a lot to support the eve community where the Mittani has made a miners life in HIgh sec a living hell.
This way I can encourage Cribba to do what he does and Not support The Mittani who may have the lower price..

So this in the End will help the FIS Industry side of eve.

As many smart people have said. Eve needs to Focus on FIS, but some effort till needs to be applied to WIS to make it viable. and a Support for FIS. As it stands now, Its Space Barbie.... which .... well falls short for both the FIS and WIS lovers a like.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2011-10-27 02:07:15 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Ranzabar wrote:
Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game.

(IMHO of course, your mileage may vary)

I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion.

I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR
from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS.



What exactly is walking around in a station going to add to a game? Are you going to /dance while waiting for a fleet to form up? I mean seriously, what will "walking in a station" provide that is of value to you?

Have you played WoW? Have you been in Orgimmar? Do you think standing around a major city in any MMOG is what makes the game? Seriously?
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone
Caldari State
#147 - 2011-10-27 03:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkris Arkayne
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
... I mean seriously, what will "walking in a station" provide that is of value to you?...


Immersion. That's all. Plain and simple.

I want to log on to enjoy being in another universe. I want to, however briefly, pretend I was born 1,000 years from now. I want to explore a space station and get the feel I might get if I were really there (even if only simulated).

And of all the games that have come out, CCP has done the ABSOLUTE BEST in creating mood in their universe. It feels alive! The vibe is very rich. The people are passionate. The community is vibrant! I'm dearly hoping that CCP decides to continue development on WiS so that, one day, I might actually have a convincing sim to put myself in when real life sucks.
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#148 - 2011-10-27 03:53:12 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too?

Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes?



so... 0.0 ppl want it to...
and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then???
i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore???


eh my POINT was 0.0 ppl WOULDNT want it cause they dont go to stations

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?

Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#149 - 2011-10-27 03:54:35 UTC
Gevlin wrote:


Also if I am invading a region. Capture 1 system I want to be able to put up an establishment so I can sell supplies to my Blues involved in the fight Allowing us to refuel, recharge locally with out the worry of an Alliance with More Isk than I buying out our entire stock and crippling our advance.



So they WERE planning on making it so you could walk in POSes?

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?

Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2011-10-27 05:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
err Out Posts...

They are quite common now-a-days in Null sec
Hell over 20 Stations were built in the last 20 days
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outposts


Walking in POS.... Maybe some day in 2020

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2011-10-27 05:29:45 UTC
I am a Null sec Industrialist.(miner)

Out posts are important if you want to live out there. Other wise Profit is too hard to come by.

I don't trust Parking my 2 Dreads, 2 Rorquals and 3 carriers in a POS. Especially if I have to fuel it.

Tried to do the POS only thing for 6 months once, Found my self jumping twice a week to a station 10 jumps a way to buy Cap Fuel and Sell Minerals on the open market.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2011-10-27 05:38:54 UTC
As a Dread Pilot and Triage Carrier Pilot I am often Left Spinning my ship in the station waiting for the time I am called to bring the guns or rep the tower,

I would love the opportunity to be entertained while spinning my ship... entertained in game.

With WIS life streaming of events, even the battle I could be on call for, be streaming live at the bar I am sitting at waiting for my call.

Corporate Command Centers.
WIS would also allow the tools for a Major Battle Leader to play a Stratagy on how to fight the enemy over multiple systems vs blobbing in 1 Solar System. Using Interactive Star Maps, Direct intel being place on the Stratgy map in real time.
As it stands Eve is a Reactive Game when coming to combat, It is hard to run a multiprong attack over only the audio of Skype

As A miner I am specialized in Shooting at items that don't move..... There is not much difference between a POS and A Spodumane rock the size of a small moon.... Except maybe the guns if they remember to install some.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2011-10-27 06:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
Some say Immersion is what Make WIS strong. I am going to say nope! Sure it is a factor, but it, for me, opens up more mechanics to the game I can play.

As a ship, I can only do so much, before it breaks the Immersion/reality of the game. Before it starts changing the look/feel/ way a portion (FIS) of the game is played.

Face it Many old vets have a style of play they don't want to give up. On the other hand not everyone plays the same way and giving options on how to play a game in the same universe increases it complexity and depth with out pulling the rug out from the older players.

Being able to Get out of the Pod and on to a station it allows me to further bury my self in the Station services tab and provide me with tools that allow me to effect only the world of 1 Station. This will allow people like me to play eve on a smaller scale, a scale that especially beginners, will be able to wrap their head around before diving into the Massive Free market of New Eden which is currently run by 7 year players who make more isk in 1 hour than a newbie can make make in 1 month.

As we expand on WIS we will learn ways to make it assist and intigrate FIS to the point that WIS and FIS are one on in the same.

Tools I can immediately see useful as a FIS Pilot in Null sec with a station near by equipped with WIS

--->Mini Games to allow me to kill time waiting on the call to jump in my capital
--->localized market to sell only to selected members so my works does not get highjacked by a jerk
--->Command Rooms- Allow Strategic information to be displayed in real time to allow battles to fight beyond just 1 solar system
---> Broad Cast Feeds from Locations to a central entertainment area
--->Though the used of Bots and Markers, Player designed Mission systems that will give rewards to achieving the goals of the bots programer. (ie collecting Book marks from patrol locations. Turning in a corps of a Red alliance.)
---> A locations where newbes can be exposed to growing degrees of eve, so they are not over whelmed when they first start.
--> As a station owner I will be able to set who is able to partake what portion of WIS on my station. I will be able to say who is able to kill who, What levels of security, what laws, and what punishments are run on my station. (ie Goon Station - Killing anyone with a dull rusty spoon does not drop one's security/Clearance rating but Shooting a Goon does.)
---> MOST IMPORTANT – Window to view the out side of the station!!

For immersion
---> cloths, pets, emotions scripts, beer. Smuggling boosters,

Choosing to Just stick with only FIS is like only playing with 1 Monitor. You can do it and a have fun, but why limit you self, especially since you just bought a second monitor one and just needs to be turned on.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

madd0g11
State War Academy
Caldari State
#154 - 2011-10-27 07:50:51 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too?

Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes?



You know in null we build and own our own stations right. Keep spinning that ship.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#155 - 2011-10-27 07:56:20 UTC
So it takes ccp forever to do things so you leave...
WiS should be coming "soon" so you rejoin... after saying you know it takes years.

You not too bright are you? Rather than *waiting* for it... you come back when it is not done rofl...