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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-02-20 10:09:36 UTC
Yes.

Obama IS a great president.

Oh right right, about pod insurance;

HELL NO.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-20 10:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
*editing

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-20 10:12:50 UTC
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#24 - 2013-02-20 10:18:46 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread


True. And empty / cheap ones can be the norm.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-20 10:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread

EPIC SOUNDTRACK

not sure ******** or what.
Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.

Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it .
Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.

Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses .
This is simply an extension to the same scheme.
By covering the clone itself.
People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.

Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-20 10:32:52 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Emma Royd wrote:
I see lots of no's but no reason why not.


The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants?

Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day Blink


The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals...
This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it.

Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet.


Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops.


That's the point. The insurance system is based off the average price of base minerals across all of EVE. Insurance for T1 stuff is all it covers & all it ever should cover. If you can't afford to replace the implants that you lost, you shouldn't have undocked with them.

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#27 - 2013-02-20 10:34:24 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!

For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.


Mitigating defeat penalitiies (reducing costs and consequences) is just "catering to the needs of the carebears".

it's like playing poker with no real money, go figure how much fun.

And for "courage in battle"... beside it sounds silly in a videogame ambit but you evaluate it just for the risk and costs related. Everyone is good when courage comes for free and refunded.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-02-20 10:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Emma Royd wrote:
I see lots of no's but no reason why not.


The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants?

Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day Blink


The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals...
This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it.

Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet.


Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops.


That's the point. The insurance system is based off the average price of base minerals across all of EVE. Insurance for T1 stuff is all it covers & all it ever should cover. If you can't afford to replace the implants that you lost, you shouldn't have undocked with them.


And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less.
Refer to earlier posts.
We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here.
Nothing more.
So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement.
Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil?
Still no more than 10 mil per plant.

The risk is still here but the difference is , its partially transferred so as it wouldn't hurt them as bad if they die

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-20 10:37:47 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!

For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.


Mitigating defeat penalitiies (reducing costs and consequences) is just "catering to the needs of the carebears".

it's like playing poker with no real money, go figure how much fun.

And for "courage in battle"... beside it sounds silly in a videogame ambit but you evaluate it just for the risk and costs related. Everyone is good when courage comes for free and refunded.





Carebears don't need insurance , they aren't part of the pvp community.
The risk/return ratio is too high.
But this insurance scheme will LOWER than ratio , so we can revitalize the sector and invite more people into the trade

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-20 10:39:02 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less.
Refer to earlier posts.
We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here.
Nothing more.
So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement.
Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil?
Still no more than 10 mil per plant.

The risk is still here but the difference is , its partially transferred so as it wouldn't hurt them as bad if they die


Most people still won't PvP with implants under your propsed system.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-02-20 10:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less.
Refer to earlier posts.
We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here.
Nothing more.
So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement.
Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil?
Still no more than 10 mil per plant.

The risk is still here but the difference is , its partially transferred so as it wouldn't hurt them as bad if they die


Most people still won't PvP with implants under your propsed system.


ALL HAIL GOONSWARM LEADER MALLAK, the representative for "MOST" people

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-20 10:55:52 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread

EPIC SOUNDTRACK

not sure ******** or what.
Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.

Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it .
Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.

Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses .
This is simply an extension to the same scheme.
By covering the clone itself.
People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.

Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world.

If you're talking about clone costs this thread is equally pointless. CCP already said they're going to change it. I thought the thread was about implant insurance. If it isn't, maybe you shouldn't be so vague next time you make a thread. Either way, this thread is completely pointless.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-20 11:08:00 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread

EPIC SOUNDTRACK

not sure ******** or what.
Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.

Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it .
Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.

Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses .
This is simply an extension to the same scheme.
By covering the clone itself.
People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.

Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world.

If you're talking about clone costs this thread is equally pointless. CCP already said they're going to change it. I thought the thread was about implant insurance. If it isn't, maybe you shouldn't be so vague next time you make a thread. Either way, this thread is completely pointless.



IT IS about implants insurance , I got side tracked there but the point is , if you're podded , all your implants are lost forever.
So by insuring your clone, you're effectively insuring your implants

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-20 11:09:00 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less.
Refer to earlier posts.
We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here.
Nothing more.
So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement.
Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil?
Still no more than 10 mil per plant.

The risk is still here but the difference is , its partially transferred so as it wouldn't hurt them as bad if they die


Most people still won't PvP with implants under your propsed system.


ALL HAIL GOONSWARM LEADER MALLAK, the representative for "MOST" people


The reasons a lot of people don't PvP with implants is well documented, not something I've come up with on the spot. If you actually look up this topic, you will understand why your idea is pointless.

Also I am in no way, shape or form, a leader. I'm more that guy that operates underneath good leadership & has the freedom to what is neccessary, occaisionally with a small group of likeminded people. I'm simply not leadership material.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-02-20 11:27:49 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
No
baltec1 wrote:
No
Sura Sadiva wrote:
No.
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Has anyone said No yet? Because if not, No.
Psyche Atheos wrote:
no.

No.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-20 13:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread

EPIC SOUNDTRACK

not sure ******** or what.
Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.

Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it .
Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.

Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses .
This is simply an extension to the same scheme.
By covering the clone itself.
People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.

Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world.

If you're talking about clone costs this thread is equally pointless. CCP already said they're going to change it. I thought the thread was about implant insurance. If it isn't, maybe you shouldn't be so vague next time you make a thread. Either way, this thread is completely pointless.



IT IS about implants insurance , I got side tracked there but the point is , if you're podded , all your implants are lost forever.
So by insuring your clone, you're effectively insuring your implants

Use a jump clone. Problem solved. If you want to have the benefit of expensive implants in PvP you risk them. That's how Eve works. Risk vs reward. You people are going to keep whining until Eve is just like WoW and you respawn 5 seconds later with your ship and all your modules a few feet from where you died, aren't you?
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-02-20 13:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dante Uisen
Ivy Romanova wrote:
More often than not our head is worth MAGNITUDES above the cost of our ships and our pods.


Use a clean clone or don't get podded, if you want the extra bonus from expensive implants it comes at a price. It's also why there is no way to insure faction, ded or officer modules.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-20 13:12:10 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Jump clones are a thing.

/thread

EPIC SOUNDTRACK

not sure ******** or what.
Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.

Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it .
Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.

Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses .
This is simply an extension to the same scheme.
By covering the clone itself.
People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .

For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears.
THAT !
MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle .
They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.

Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world.

If you're talking about clone costs this thread is equally pointless. CCP already said they're going to change it. I thought the thread was about implant insurance. If it isn't, maybe you shouldn't be so vague next time you make a thread. Either way, this thread is completely pointless.



IT IS about implants insurance , I got side tracked there but the point is , if you're podded , all your implants are lost forever.
So by insuring your clone, you're effectively insuring your implants

Use a jump clone. Problem solved. If you want to have the benefit of expensive implants in PvP you risk them. That's how Eve works. Risk vs reward. You people are going to keep whining until Eve is just like WoW and you respawn 5 seconds later with your ship and all your modules a few feet from where you died, aren't you?



not sure blind or what.
How is this different from the current insurance system for ships?

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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#39 - 2013-02-20 13:16:56 UTC
No, you shouldn't get something for getting blown up. Remove ship insurance too.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#40 - 2013-02-20 13:34:33 UTC
if pods have insurance, then when you kill a pod implants you have should also drop like mods do on a ship.