EVE General Discussion

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I would like to address your points one at a time first there is the fact that you say you played other mmos well not all good games have to be mmos and not all mmos are good you see you compare eve to these other lesser games and then say there is no way to catch up to other veteran players but really the character bazaar exists and new people with a little panache can get some money to buy an advanced character and since roles exist that doesnt even really matter its just the perception of the player but i do agree some more lore and iterations on the new player experience would be a positive thing but i think youre going a little too far towards ccp being responsible for content when it is the players ccp just provides the tools have a good day

Holy wall of text.


As far as I know, it's always been an MMO.
New Citizens Q & A has many older players who are willing to help out anybody with questions, there's a lot of experience and knowledge being shared in there. New players can and do catch up with older players, each class of ship has a skill cap, specialise in for example frigates or cruisers and in under a year you will have as many SP invested in that class of ship as someone who has been playing for 9 years, you'll be able to use the same modules and weapons to.



Lost other servers? Eve has always been a single server unless you count Serenity which is a requirement of the Chinese Government. The only other servers are for testing purposes and always have been to the best of my knowledge. Your lack of progress and feelings of incompetency are entirely down to you, many newbies are extremely successful in the having fun aspect of Eve. You can hop into fights on day 1, you'll die but you'll have fun doing it.


You simply picked the wrong corp, many corporations are all about helping the newbie find their feet and will go out of their way to make you feel wanted. Newbies used to get a boost to their skill training, it was removed and replaced by considerably better initial statistics.

Content wise, tbh the Dev provided content isn't that great, the best content always has and always will be produced by the players, CCP admit this and see their role as caretakers, they provide the framework, we try our best to bend and break it, and they love us for it. Help is out there, you just have to ask in the right places, see my first comment.

Buying a character? as a newbie that would be a hell of an expensive mistake, it's all well and good having a character that can fly uber pimp mobiles, but the players own skills and knowledge will keep them from exploding, as a newbie you have neither of those and you will lose pretty much everything you undock in, (running before you can walk).



Eve isn't about instant gratification, if you play Eve you're in it for the long haul. The game isn't half dead, it's about the only MMO that has increased its subs year on year (except for the incarna mess) and is always growing. You can join in and be one of the guys from day one, most people won't mind that you're a newbie, in fact most will welcome newbies even if it's only as a meat shield, because you'll progress from meat shield to being a useful member of any corporation over time. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up, Eve doesn't give you a cookie and a silver spoon, it steals them from you and expects you to earn or steal them back.

My god, its full of words.

Youtube has so much great advice on becoming a great/filthy rich Eve player that I can't understand why people complain.

Ive learn't more from youtube videos than from anywhere else, and now I pay with plex

EDIT: No personal attack, please - ISD Tyrozan Every single person in this game was new once and we all managed to cope. I didn't even bother doing the tutorials. You just need some grey matter.

May I ask how you managed to do this?

If you lost your ships in PvE you either...
- tried to do things that were way beyond your capacity to handle.
- didn't do any research before you tried something
- did something dumb
- some combination of all of the above

If you lost your ships to other players you either...
- didn't research the aggression rules
- didn't learn from your mistakes
- went to places without adequate preparation
- used the wrong ships/equipment for the wrong situation
- did something dumb
- some combination of all of the above


Maybe you're asking the wrong people (sometimes the people who ganked you or destroyed your assets will be more helpful than someone who strictly grinds to make ISK).
Or your are asking the wrong way. Humor, humility, and politeness (or sometimes the opposite of this) can go a long way in making people more sympathetic to your problems.
It also helps if you ask very specific questions and/or know something already and just want clarification and/or show you want to actually learn.


If you look more closely the skill system is actually very intelligently done.

- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower level skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills.

- Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time.
Ex1: Someone you are facing has about 20 million SP, but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related. He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills.
Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.

- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4, you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5.

- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (because it's faster).

- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.
Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor every 24 second... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc.


tl;dr...
- the point of the skill system is to force you to learn the game's mechanics and nuances in cheaper equipment and ships... that way when you DO gain access to more expensive equipment and ships, you know HOW to use them properly.

- overall skillpoints is not indicative of a pilot's ability within a specific situation. It just means that the pilot has more options in what he/she can do.

- no one ship is superior to everything in the game. Even Titans, the largest ship in the game, has its Achilles heel; smaller ships.

- mastering a "specialty" (see: "set of skills") puts you on par with a multi-year veteran who has already mastered said specialty.


There has only been one server in EVE. This is actually one of the selling points of the game; "One Universe for all."

The exceptions to this would be the Test Server (which operates under very strict rules and oversight and is often wiped or altered) and the Chinese Server (which only exists because Chinese law prohibits people within its borders from connecting to servers beyond government control or ability to filter).


Just because you don't have the "best" skills, doesn't mean you can't do something. Go out and try an activity. You won't be the "best" ... but you'll still be able to make money and/or have some effect. It's better than sitting in station.

Is it bad that I saw "Brosefs. Altruism" then stopped reading?

They really that bad? Aside from the name of course.

/me adds one more to the list of corps and alliances to never get involved with.