EVE General Discussion

thats why you shouldn't name your corp after a frig!

I'm pretty sure a guy pushed "keep at range, F1" on me one time, maybe you guys could try that for variety.

Actually, 4 heavy/sentry drones. A fully over buffer armor tanked Mrym doubles the EHP of a Vexor but with ION blasters still has only slightly higher DPS as the guns are unbonused, and that's only with the 4 heavies. If your dealing with frigs or cruisers and have a full flight of medium/light drones out the Vexor may actually out perform the armor tanked Mrym. Of course the real difference becomes the Vex is faster AND much lower sig radius. But anyways, its splitting hairs and there are many nuances between cruiser and BC that the comparison is somewhat pointless. But the bottom line is that the Vexor is a VERY good cruiser. The Mrym is an ok BC, and frankly after this patch I find it worse off especially next to the Prophecy.

Myrm actually has 100mbit, vs 75mbit of the vexor, where you need 125mbit for 5 heavies.

And as for the op, you're high. The drake was a good solo pvp ship because it was nimble and tanky and had good damage? Guess what, it's also the most flown for large blobs for the same reason. Drake fleets were ruining **** everywhere. The hurricane obsoleted the rupture.

As for having no options, then you're very narrow minded. Think about what you want to be doing. Are you going to be fighting lots of little ships? Then you might want to invest in a tankier bc like the myrm or brutix. Fighting a heavier ship with poor damage projection? Get a hurricane or a cylone to kite them. Need good damage projection and decent tank to prevent getting kited? Get a drake or perhaps a harbinger.

What CCP did is allow the bc's to each excel in a role or two so that ALL the bc's could be viable in some way. You aren't going to kite anyone with a brutix, so it's not stepping on the hurricanes toes.

What you want is a wtfsolopwnmobile to run around in that can engage whatever you encounter. That's not a good thing to have in a game, so now you need to pick what you want to do and then select the proper tool for the job.

TL;DR of OPs post:

"Boo Hoo! I now have to think about how these other viable PvP ships might be fit, instead of the four or five cookie cutter fits that were viable for PvP before."

Dude.
My favored Drake build just gained almost 50% increase in DPS, whilst sustaining marginal EHP and Velocity hits. Even after dropping my humorously expensive BCS units and replacing them with T2s, I'm still punching north of 600 DPS without the drones. With the drones, I'm punching north of 700 DPS, and my skills are NOT maxed!

I'll grant that this is not a small-gang PvP build (C2 solo build), but I expect similar effects elsewhere.


Far as I'm concerned, this update is awesomesauce.

If there was a way for 5 people with all lvl 5 skills to beat 40 people with all lvl 5 skills, all of them in similar ships, then there is something wrong with this game. I hate blobs as much as the next guy, but it's literally impossible to make what you just said happen.

I bet you don't understand, because like the op, you're too thick to understand - So I'll spell it out for you.

Group A: 5 people, flying ship A
Group B: 40 people, flying ships B-F

Group A smokes Group B, no losses on Group A's side, Group B just couldn't catch Group A, and Group A had too much damage for them to tank.

Group A and B meet up again except this time the fleets look like this:
Group A: 5 people, flying ship A
Group B: 40 people, all flying Ship A.

Guess what, Group A gets ******.


What we have now are ships that excel in different areas - Ships that will perform in large numbers but struggle on their own, ships that will do well in solo or small groups, but won't shine in larger numbers. The variety is more unique than this, but at least now you can choose what you want to do and not sit down and say: HMMM its a fleet huh? Better grab my drake. HMMM I'm bored and want to hunt some nubs, better grab my hurricane.

Trying to reply... having trouble thinking over the sound of OP's crying.

Tiericide made the Merlin, Slasher, Condor, Incursus, Punisher, and a variety of other frigates decent and now highly used pvp frigs.
Tiericide made the Caracal a beastly killing machine, buffed the thorax, made the stabber better, and made some pretty freaking badass support cruisers
Tiericide Improved the drake's dps, improved the harbinger's dps, took the hurricane down a slight notch to not be the king of small gang pvp go-to ship, and improved the myrmidon's practical dps
Tiercide buffed the brutix and ferox heavily, changed the prophecy into something WORTH FLYING, and gave the cyclone a nice spin.

An unimaginable world of good has come from this, for pvpers. Buffs, buffs, and more buffs, with a couple tiny adjustments in a few small cases, in favor of balance. Pretty clear to me OP has Battlecruisers trained to 2 or 3 and is mad that his hurricane/drake isn't OMGWTFPWN everything now.

lol. ccp buffed scrub ships like t1 firgates and cruisers cause blobbers are afraid to fly something that costs more than a few million iskies. why would you even fly a bc or hac now that cruisers are just as good and cost halve or tenth as much. meanwhile, their going to nerf real pvp ships like t3s because scrubs dont have the balls to field something worth that much so they whine intil ccp does something about it.

o7m8s enjoy ur carebear pvp.

Not when outnumbered ten to one.