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Med Lacroix
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-19 04:49:00 UTC
So, after a rather untimely removal from EVE University, I decided to make a farewell post on their forums. Now, I know that post will get deleted, and quite honestly, I really don't care. I don't ever intend to visit those forums again. There is, however, some information that I feel needs to be out there in the open about EVE University, and what they really stand for. Now, I'm not hating on the Uni; I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. Here is the post, unedited, for your viewing pleasure.

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Well, I was informed today that my services are no longer required. The typical canned response, so I bid you farewell. It's been real, and it's been fun, but I can't really say it's been real fun. To the friends I made here, much love and respect. To everyone else, may you learn your way around. To management, I wish I had something nice to say, but I really don't. Just remember, in the end, everyone will see each individual for who they are and what they stand for, not who they claim to be, and certainly not by some digital title in a made up organization of internet pilots.

Now, for the part that's going to upset a lot of people, and probably get this post deleted. I have been communicating with war targets over the last several months. Not spy work, no, quite the contrary. You see, I've never divulged any information to these guys that would hurt operational security or jeopardize a single mission or fleet. What I have done is become social with a group of people that many of you feel are scum of the earth. What I also managed to accomplish, was nothing short of miraculous. I, through backroom talks with U-MAD, had them willing, on no less than 4 different occasions, willing to drop the war against the University, and actually guest lecture, and even entertain the idea of an apprenticeship program. When this information was taken the proper authorities, nothing was done, and I was told to keep quiet because certain people might get mad. When I asked for a position on the very team (diplomat) that would have given me the ability to end this "endless" war, I was ignored.

You see folks, there's a lot you haven't been told, but any person with common sense could figure out. Should you dare to call anyone in management on any of this, however, you will be chastised, lambasted, and spat upon repeatedly. Like, the POS for example. Management wanted the POS gone. Do you really thing RvB just randomly decided to attack the POS, or do you think the fight was coordinated, with tactical information given to the enemy to make their job easier? I can tell you, for a fact, that the latter is true. A manager here went out of his way to ensure the POS went down, and sacrificed your spaceships and tactical advantage to do so. Now, I won't name any names, but hopefully that person will admit what he or she did.

Anyhow, I wish you all the best, and always remember that blind trust is still blind.

PS - Feel free to delete this post. I'm sure you will, but it's already been sent to a few of the major bloggers, so it's not going away.


If you'd like to rehash this for your blog, and I haven't contacted you directly, you may do so freely. No need to contact me for permission. If you'd like to chat about this, just find me in game, or hit me up on Twitter at @MedLacroix
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-19 05:21:56 UTC
Details such as EVE mails or other things like that would be nice. So far, this is mostly unsupported claims of the kind I'd suggest having sources for.

:)

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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#3 - 2013-02-19 06:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Maximo
Med Lacroix wrote:


Now, for the part that's going to upset a lot of people, and probably get this post deleted. I have been communicating with war targets over the last several months. Not spy work, no, quite the contrary. You see, I've never divulged any information to these guys that would hurt operational security or jeopardize a single mission or fleet. What I have done is become social with a group of people that many of you feel are scum of the earth. What I also managed to accomplish, was nothing short of miraculous. I, through backroom talks with U-MAD, had them willing, on no less than 4 different occasions, willing to drop the war against the University, and actually guest lecture, and even entertain the idea of an apprenticeship program. When this information was taken the proper authorities, nothing was done, and I was told to keep quiet because certain people might get mad. When I asked for a position on the very team (diplomat) that would have given me the ability to end this "endless" war, I was ignored.




WOW is the only word that comes to mind when I heard what happened to Med. But unfortunately, and sadly, this does not surprise me :(

As most of you know I am the CEO of U-Mad that flies under the character named Captainn Chronicc. I have one of the best kill/death ratio's in the corp on the uni, which we are competitive on, and I am usually a polite conversationalist.

To start off I guess I will explain the relationship we had with Med. We first spoke with Med one lonely night in Hek after we waited countless hours for the Uni to undock and fight. When we randomly convo wartargets and they leave a good first impression we are nice to them. We always seem to be put off as the bad guys but if you actually take out the politics and talk to us, we are good guys. Just remember that you cant bullshit a bullshitter. We don't take lightly to someone trying to pull our chain or taking us as fools.

Med surprisingly was such a cool guy that Nags asked if we could invite him to TS which we accepted. Surprisingly he agreed to talk to us, due to Uni's rules, so when he first joined we all agreed to not talk about anything eve related. We talked about school, sports, league of legends, and aliens. The way I see it, if you can talk to a complete stranger about aliens then you two will more than likely get along. Once we talked for a few hours Med said he had to leave and we agreed to a nondisclosure act that we never spoke. Hell for all we knew he was broadcasting our comms over Eve radio so we agreed and went our seperate ways. Over the months we would randomly speak in private convo's or on TS and slowly get to know/trust each other. One of the things that stuck out about Med was that you could tell he was a legitimate guy. The type of guy that seems pure enough that no matter what temptation you put on them they will resist. As a corp we discussed this and all agreed that Med was a really cool guy, a friend, but was also a war target. I guess we saw him as an ex-girlfriend. The type that you are friends with but will never have sex with. Its just the way it was.

As the war went on for weeks we would talk every now again and build our friendship. One night Med asked the question that every Eve Uni member wants to know; Why do you keep war deccing us? At first we didnt really have a reason but as we discussed the topic farther we started to really whittle down our answer to a fine statement:

We understand and support the fact that The University helps new players but as a whole its Seniority/Leadership will not hold themselves accountable in the sense that no player in eve is ABOVE ANOTHER.

What we saw wrong:
Uni tells players of eve they may not socialize in local
Uni demands all rookies to belittle themselves and comment on why they died
Uni uses propaganda to make war targets look like bad people
Kelduum has an ego for doing nothing of worth
Kelduum thinks his do do doesnt stink
Uni fails to teach proper PVP. They want players to rely on numbers, not skill

We discussed these problems with Med for hours on possible fixes/tweaks to make the Uni better and he gave us feedback on what was unattainable or impossible for someone in his position to do. You see Med and ourselves saw this war as a learning experience. We would fine tune our pvp skills and he would help the Uni better prepare for fleets and help him further expand his knowledge as an FC.

Out of nowhere one night Nags threw out the idea that maybe we could help the Uni get better by giving a guest lecture or assisting a war with them. We later proposed this idea to Med but he said that it was immediately shot down. Over the months Solj, mule, nags, and I thought of ways we could help the Uni but each time Med said the ideas were a no go or Eve Uni's leadership would ignore our mails. U-Mad as a whole felt betrayed in a sense because after such an onslaught the Uni still refused to be helped.

It may be just me but it seems EXTREMELY logical to accept help from someone that you cannot beat. Especially if you are a learning institution first... You'd think you would want to learn how to win.

Anyways I believe I have explained enough for now. When a few Unistas notified me of what happened to Med's status with the Uni I was outraged and felt obligated to speak up for him. As a corp we greatly respect him as a person, a player, and what he has done to help the rookies of eve. He deserves to have respect shown to him in local! This is yet another unsatisfying taste the Uni has put into my mouth and they will pay for it. Even when someone tries to help you you push them away. In our eyes Med was one of your most valuable assets and I truly question what quality is left in the university.

May U-MAD one day have mercy on your soul!

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus."

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#4 - 2013-02-19 08:00:23 UTC
Welcome to eve. Place where some people get drunk for power they seems to have.

Yes this is game and there is all different types of people playing it. Some bad, some good. Same goes to any leadership.

In eve unis case, well i have newer been member is this establishment. But you sure make it sound like they could use some fresh blood in leadership ranks.

Its noble cause to help new players train and learn this complex game. And some people just are not up to it... We all have beliefs we believe blindly. And sometimes we believe wrong.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#5 - 2013-02-19 18:20:18 UTC
Med, its a shame to see you posting stuff here, but we've had concerns about you since October. It's also a shame the communications from Zeus were not passed up the chain properly - as a staff member I would have hoped you had known about this.


However, I'll address some of the points mentioned by Zeus here:

1. Uni tells players of eve they may not socialize in local
Actually, we tell them not to talk to wartargets, mainly as many will fall for trolling or similar, and that some will accidentally pass intel or otherwise get overworked and act foolish. The usual stuff applies here regarding the actions of a few causing repercussions for everyone in their group. See the "mate" thing recently for an example.

2. Uni demands all rookies to belittle themselves and comment on why they died
This has a few reasons behind it, and goes for both kills and losses:
a) Its shows they know what they did wrong, and how to avoid doing it again.
b) Others can learn from their mistakes.
c) It saves us a load of hassle with the occasional "odd" kill/loss.

3. Uni uses propaganda to make war targets look like bad people
Feel free to point to some of this. I'd be interested to see what you consider propaganda.

4. Kelduum has an ego for doing nothing of worth
Again, like the propaganda mention, some more information (specifics if possible) would be useful.

5. Kelduum thinks his do do doesn't stink
I can confirm that my bodily waste has a significant aroma.

6. Uni fails to teach proper PVP. They want players to rely on numbers, not skill
This is always a good one, and someone digging around in the forum archive would probably find the exact same claims and the exact same response:
a) We ask people to X up for a fleet and we get 100 people. Do we just not take them?
b) We have losec/nullsec roams, and other things which require 'skill', however they aren't as obvious.
c) It could quite easily be argued that ganking new players in industrials also does not require skill.
d) During wars, we have less opportunity to teach practical "skill" to new players.
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#6 - 2013-02-19 21:21:53 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:


1. Uni tells players of eve they may not socialize in local

2. Uni demands all rookies to belittle themselves and comment on why they died


3. Uni uses propaganda to make war targets look like bad people


4. Kelduum has an ego for doing nothing of worth


5. Kelduum thinks his do do doesn't stink


6. Uni fails to teach proper PVP. They want players to rely on numbers, not skill




Kelduum eventhough I disagree with 99% of the things you say or do I will always be respectful to you since you do hold a title in a corporation. However with that said I feel you exagerated every single subject above.




1. It is common knowledge in life that people need social skills. It doesnt do anybody any good, even in a game, to be mute. Whether someone says something stupid or smart it is best for something to be said than nothing at all. Let your members talk in local..... We dont continue our war decs because a noob mouthes off in local. We continue our decs because Uni Management continues to make poor leadership decisions.



2. If you actually knew half the story on what ACTUALLY happens with those killmail comments then you would want to rework the entire process. 99% of those comments are lies from your members to save face. Very common for someone that was autopiloting in an incursion ship to claim he almost killed us....



3. I listen to your comms weekly and have access to all of your forums. You all have it drilled into your alliances head that we only want to kill noobs/carebears. You want them to think that we will only fly 4 bil proteus's or ALWAYS use boost to win a fight. Not a day goes by that I dont hear a Uni member making a statement that has no truth behind it. We heard an FC tell an entire fleet that we are cheaters and that our boosters increase our DPS. If you would allow your members to talk more then they would actually learn more about us and what we ACTUALLY do as a corp. We have seen what the Uni has used for excuses on why they lost and it coicendently echoes in your CSM minutes conversations.

We did a perma war so in the CSM you mentioned to only allow big alliances to fight big alliances
We forgot to pay our bills so in CSM you mentioned to have a downtime if that were to ever happen
We use boosters so in the CSM you brought up booster nerfs
You wanted war decs to be more expensive per member so you asked for a price change
Those are just a few examples and Im sure if I thought about it longer I could recall some more ideas of yours that have randomly been spouted in local by sore losers.



4 and 5. From day one you have always treated us as the scum of the earth because some of your ignorant members happen to fly into us. Believe it or not quite a few of your regular FC's enjoy talking to us. I have regularly heard complaints from leadership and members alike that you have a set way of doing things and that you treat the entire corp like its a political game. Im not going to discuss the whole CCP dibacle you had last week but that is one of my examples.



6. Here you kind of ignored what I said. Do you not realize that most of eve knows the Uni as blobbers. That is not a good thing. This kind of relates to major universities with horrible student to teacher ratios. You are a learning institution and you are cool with putting 100 students into a classroom with 1 teacher. Come on Kelduum, why not put some stress on the pilots themselves and do a few weeks where the max fleet size is limited to 10 people. Eve as a whole needs to get back to solo/small gang work and you arent doing one player any good when they don't work on their skills as a pilot. People with common sense understand where I coming from here and it will actually be good for you all. I bet the teachers would enjoy spending more time per pilot too.....


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c) It could quite easily be argued that ganking new players in industrials also does not require skill.


This is the kind of stuff that Im talking about when you play us off as bad guys. We are a pvp corp that actively seeks FIGHTS to better ourselves. I've told you once and I will tell you again that 99% of the time we are flying around we are not looking for miners or rookies in noob ships. Honestly when Im flying about I want to come across a battleship fleet to test myself as a pilot. I dont enjoy killing someone that doesnt know how to think for himself. Hell he probably doesnt even know how to think for himself because he was pilot #87 that was told to align and press f1 in 10 seconds. I will admit though its funny to kill the carebears/noobs. Eve is a hostile enviroment so its funny to meet someone that feels they are entitled to safety.

With all of this said I hope you will better understand the situation at hand. If anything we are the best thing that has happened to the uni.

Also dissappointing to see how you treat Med these days. Many from the Uni said he was their favorite and will be greatly missed! If you knew us like some of your pilots do then you would realize that we dont want information from the Uni and we've never pressed them for any. We can get it ourselves. From what I've been told Med was discarded like a bad habit..

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Med Lacroix
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-20 02:45:46 UTC
First off, I want to establish something here. This is the first time Kelduum has ever attempted to speak to me. Perhaps tone is lost in text, but I find it amusing that I'm being spoken to like he actually knows who I am. Again, maybe I'm taking this the wrong way.

Secondly, about your "concerns"...Mr. Revaan, not a single person in your management staff, except one, gave me any benefit of the doubt. I was crucified for a harmelss Twitter post.; also the very post you are referencing in your mention of October. It's no secret that I play it to the hilt on Twitter, as my followers already know. If you'd like to see the tweet that Irdalth Delrar got so bent out of shape over, click thishttps://twitter.com/MedLacroix , and scroll all the way to the bottom. It was my very first tweet. Now, maybe there's a language barrier in play here, but I don't think any reasonable person would find that even remotely offensive. I used a little "street lingo" and basically fluffed myself up, after getting promoted to Media Team. Problem was, we were given zero access to ANY of the tools needed to do our job. I made a blog post for the front page of the website on October 6, 2012, and it STILL hasn't been published. At no time was I offered any additional access to the news section, nor was I offered a password to the official Twitter or Facebook account. Finally, this department is lead by a manager who logs in maybe once every two weeks, and is so disconnected from the department and, quite frankly, the University, that nothing gets done. In fact, since resigning that post, a total of zero posts on any front have been made. Seems to me like your "concerns" should be much further up the ladder than a simple peon who was only trying to pitch in and help out.

In your defense, however, I will say that I was VERY vocal in opposition of your outcry from the 300+ billion ISK seizure. In fact, it was I who coined the hashtag #CCPStoleMyBike. Thing is, I'm allowed to be a vocal opponent. I even got a response from a staff member at CCP that absolutely had me rolling. Again, the above link will show you that conversation.

Finally, in regards to your remark about taking things up the chain of command. Believe me, I wanted to, but the same staff member who I mentioned earlier about giving me benefit of the doubt talked me out of it. I was told to tread very carefully, as the actions I had taken were enough to get me kicked out, and that people were already gunning for me. I then chose to contact the head of Diplomatic Relations, but SURPRISE!!! The same director who leads the Media Team also leads Diplomats. For the sake of privacy, I will not be releasing the PMs sent back and forth over this matter, but know that it took 5 weeks for me to get a response, and the response was "I'll look into this." That was the last thing I heard.

So, knowing what I knew, and being through what I had already been through, I conclude that any reasonable person would have done exactly what I did, and that I acted accordingly with my, and the University's best interests at heart. The sad reality is that things could have, and definitely should have, been done differently, probably on both ends, but how dare you pin this on me? Kelduum, your institution is falling apart daily. The more experienced pilots no longer wish to be a part of the University because the University is no longer conducive to learning. You have turned the best corp in EVE, and quite possibly, the best collection and ideas in any MMO, into a political machine, using raw numbers to further leverage your positions with CCP and among the CSM. For that, I say, "Shame on you!"

Now, in response to Zeus/Captain. Sir, we've had many talks over the last couple of months, and you and I both know I tried to turn the relationships between our corps into a very fruitful one. I'm truly sorry that I failed in my goal, because quite honestly, I think it hurts not only EVE University, but Mentally Assured Destruction as well. I would also like to thank you. Not only for your kind words, and your amazing story, but for everything I learned fighting against you guys, and how willing you were to give me tips and pointers when things went down, regardless of who was the victor. I managed to earn a Silver Cross for the war efforts against U-MAD, and I will always display it proudly, because I feel like I learned so much from you guys. You were, and will always be noble and worthy opponents, and someone I'm proud to have on my contacts list. I'm sure I'll see you in game.

There are a few other shoulouts that need to get tossed out here:

Marius Labo - You're awesome, and no hard feelings. Anyone crazy enough to X up for one of the many fleets I led - I hope I fulfilled your expectations of whelps and lulz, and on the remote possibility you actually learned something from my horrible FC'ing, excellent! My dawgs and brothers-in-arms (Captain Crash, Atlas Tartarsauce, Kan-tucky Deeeeeekes, Silverthorn "Doc" Flamekeeper) - I'm sorry bros...maybe our paths will cross again. Detalius Marcadie - QUACK! Iceforce18, Garreth, Korr, and Pyotr Kamarovi - Thanks for letting me learn and lead fleets.

Well, I've said enough on this topic tonight.
are34
New Eden Corporation 98773700
New Eden Alliance 99013620
#8 - 2013-02-20 05:22:50 UTC
1. you continue your war because you get fights off eve uni all the time ( if the only corporation you have seen with poor leadership decision making is eve uni, your not getting out enough )

2. having people post on their losses makes alot of sense and saves the actual person that losses the ship alto of hassle, in a larger corporation it makes sense especially, zeus, think of how many times you or your members log in and ask someone somehting along the lines of " hey i see you lost a vagabond to a frigate gang, What happened" it happens ALL the time, maybe not a vegabond but for anythign that people miss, its a really good idea for just saving yourself from telling 50 people 50 times what happened. AND it can help other people more effectively understand what went wrong and where to learn from.

3. was a great use of hyperbole i believe, as obviously there is truth behind something they say surely, also i do believe the uni allows anyone to fc? So some of them will be ********.... (great idea for gallente links, need dps increase! Please change for somewhat less used information links)

4 and 5. Alot of your members are complete dicks, they are cool to hang out with but alot of the time they are dicks. In case you didn't know, eve IS a giant political game. Most things in life are a "political" game. The fact that you are posting on the forums about this solidifies this argument. ( theres a better word than political im searching for but im pretty dumb so its not coming to mind )

6. Im about 95% positive that you are not concerned with how much the people inside eve uni are actually learning, also imagine 100 people hearing the same commands over and over and over again, eventually they will all learn. Eve uni is teaching people the basics, if i do recall they even push their pilots towards more specialized groups depending on what the pilots want to learn?(could be wrong here). Bringing eve back to solo/small gang is your personal opinion. I am quite sure that eve "used" to be solo and small gang only because it was newer back then and there was ALOT less people that actually had people to fly with in game, otherwise almost everyone prefers to fly in a larger group, safety in numbers etc.


if keldum mentioning that ganking players in industrials requires no skill is playing you guys off as the bad guys then i will be a very confused 11 year old canadian boy. Especially considering how much you are making eve uni seem like the bad guy.

i don't think kelduum will understand this situation any differently after your post. From an outsiders POV it really just looks like your talking down eve uni. I also think that the statement, "If anything we are the best thing that has happened to the uni" is backwords, i think that eve uni is the best thing that happened to UMAD.

Eve uni has rules regarding communications with people they are at war with, this is a solid rule. If you break the rules then there will be repercussions, the rule makes quite a bit of sense especially with all of the newer players in the uni. Besides If one guy is allowed to go against this then wont others? Especially in a situation where many people know about it, you cant just let it go on otherwise everyone in the uni will be talking/giving free intel (accidently) to war targets.

SORRY FOR MASSIVE POST, WAS REALLY BORED IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING YOUR A BORED PERSON TOO.
Naginata Rios
Game.Theory
GameTheory
#9 - 2013-02-20 05:41:26 UTC
As you may know, i am MAD diplo, id like to say **** you to uni and its supporters for this.

1. "Alot of your members are complete dicks" awww did we hurt ur ******* feelings?? u gana cry????

2. i dont know how many times i have to say this so ill use caps, UNI DOES NOT TEACH PVP THEY TEACH BLOBS. i have been in the classes, i have even flown with u bitches and sure you pvp...but its only HIT F1. what it teaches noobs is that they cant do anything by themselves.

3. if you ***** about us killling your badgers then heres an idea.....STOP FLYING UR ******* BADGERS IN OUR FACES. lmao its like all of eve uni has downsies.

4. Med was prob ur best pilot in eve uni, he was the only one who had UNI's interests in his mind. You only confirmed ur dipshitery by kicking him for talking to us.

5. keldum? sit down men are talking,
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#10 - 2013-02-20 05:56:12 UTC
are34 wrote:


SORRY FOR MASSIVE POST, WAS REALLY BORED IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING YOUR A BORED PERSON TOO.


After reading your massive post and then reading the last sentence above I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely oblivious to what has been going on.

With that being said it seems you are just talking to talk. We have been at war with the uni for 7 months and you were only in the picture for 1.2 weeks. Safe to say the weight of your opinion on this matter is microscopic.

Quote:
i don't think kelduum will understand this situation any differently after your post. From an outsiders POV it really just looks like your talking down eve uni. I also think that the statement, "If anything we are the best thing that has happened to the uni" is backwords, i think that eve uni is the best thing that happened to UMAD.


Im pretty sure you are not speaking for any outsiders POV on this but your own. I have many director contacts across the major alliances and even a few in the Uni. The things I have discussed have been agreed upon and in Uni's defense, We have made them better. Most of their directors and FC's admitted it too behind kelduums back.

Once again, stay out of it.

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Solj RichPopolous
Silent Havok.
H A R D L I N E R S
#11 - 2013-02-20 05:58:17 UTC
I'm not a complete **** lol. Once you get to know me I'm quite nice. I just get very excited when it comes to a fight.

I generally end up looking like that below when I see a fleet of anything (especially UNI) that I can kill.

My blood lust when seeing a fleet
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#12 - 2013-02-20 15:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelduum Revaan
Naginata Rios wrote:
As you may know, i am MAD diplo, id like to say **** you to uni and its supporters for this.

1. "Alot of your members are complete dicks" awww did we hurt ur ******* feelings?? u gana cry????

2. i dont know how many times i have to say this so ill use caps, UNI DOES NOT TEACH PVP THEY TEACH BLOBS. i have been in the classes, i have even flown with u bitches and sure you pvp...but its only HIT F1. what it teaches noobs is that they cant do anything by themselves.

3. if you ***** about us killling your badgers then heres an idea.....STOP FLYING UR ******* BADGERS IN OUR FACES. lmao its like all of eve uni has downsies.

4. Med was prob ur best pilot in eve uni, he was the only one who had UNI's interests in his mind. You only confirmed ur dipshitery by kicking him for talking to us.

5. keldum? sit down men are talking,
I believe the appropriate response to this is:

U-MAD, Bro?
Naginata Rios
Game.Theory
GameTheory
#13 - 2013-02-20 16:21:51 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Naginata Rios wrote:
As you may know, i am MAD diplo, id like to say **** you to uni and its supporters for this.

1. "Alot of your members are complete dicks" awww did we hurt ur ******* feelings?? u gana cry????

2. i dont know how many times i have to say this so ill use caps, UNI DOES NOT TEACH PVP THEY TEACH BLOBS. i have been in the classes, i have even flown with u bitches and sure you pvp...but its only HIT F1. what it teaches noobs is that they cant do anything by themselves.

3. if you ***** about us killling your badgers then heres an idea.....STOP FLYING UR ******* BADGERS IN OUR FACES. lmao its like all of eve uni has downsies.

4. Med was prob ur best pilot in eve uni, he was the only one who had UNI's interests in his mind. You only confirmed ur dipshitery by kicking him for talking to us.

5. keldum? sit down men are talking,
I believe the appropriate response to this is:

U-MAD, Bro?



lmao thats the spirti!
Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-02-20 17:29:59 UTC
Eve-Uni is a system, Med. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Keldum has freed your mind. I know what you're thinking....whoa, right?

you may call me Morpheous Big smile




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Jezs
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#15 - 2013-02-20 19:46:49 UTC
Dude your textwalls
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#16 - 2013-02-21 00:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Reppyk
This stupid forum ate my answer. Straight

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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#17 - 2013-02-21 02:50:21 UTC
Woah TLDR much? Honestly I stopped reading after you said that the Uni management let us kill the POS because they wanted it down... If they wanted it down, why not unachor it instead of throwing 20B isk worth of ships at us to save it? Tinfoil much? next you'll tell us Kelduum is really the Mittani's alt Roll
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#18 - 2013-02-21 02:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Zero
Med Lacroix wrote:
Do you really thing RvB just randomly decided to attack the POS, or do you think the fight was coordinated, with tactical information given to the enemy to make their job easier? I can tell you, for a fact, that the latter is true. A manager here went out of his way to ensure the POS went down, and sacrificed your spaceships and tactical advantage to do so. Now, I won't name any names, but hopefully that person will admit what he or she did.


Uh...

O.o

Professor Clio wrote:
Woah TLDR much? Honestly I stopped reading after you said that the Uni management let us kill the POS because they wanted it down... If they wanted it down, why not unachor it instead of throwing 20B isk worth of ships at us to save it? Tinfoil much? next you'll tell us Kelduum is really the Mittani's alt Roll



Da**it, Clio. You know the first rule of the Mittani's alts is you don't talk about the Mittani's alts.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#19 - 2013-02-21 03:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Clio
Cameron Zero wrote:
Da**it, Clio. You know the first rule of the Mittani's alts is you don't talk about the Mittani's alts.


Oops I forgot... and I should know, I'm one of his alts... I've said too much
Galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-21 03:23:53 UTC
Cameron Zero wrote:
Med Lacroix wrote:
Do you really thing RvB just randomly decided to attack the POS, or do you think the fight was coordinated, with tactical information given to the enemy to make their job easier? I can tell you, for a fact, that the latter is true. A manager here went out of his way to ensure the POS went down, and sacrificed your spaceships and tactical advantage to do so. Now, I won't name any names, but hopefully that person will admit what he or she did.


Uh...

O.o

Professor Clio wrote:
Woah TLDR much? Honestly I stopped reading after you said that the Uni management let us kill the POS because they wanted it down... If they wanted it down, why not unachor it instead of throwing 20B isk worth of ships at us to save it? Tinfoil much? next you'll tell us Kelduum is really the Mittani's alt Roll



Da**it, Clio. You know the first rule of the Mittani's alts is you don't talk about the Mittani's alts.



I thought the first rule was always use lube What?
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