Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I suppose the reason they want to remove high sec ice is that it is too safe to mine (although the Gallente goon incursion shows otherwise).
Of course, its only in 0.5 space, which presumably is more dangerous than 0.9 space.... but is it really?
I propose we blur the lines between what is high sec and low sec.

Rather than removing ice from 0.5, remove Concord from 0.5.

Replace them with Empire navies that respond to acts of aggression - empire navies that will web, and scram with a few frigates- but are none the less escapable (pop a few scramming frigates, and warp out) - the more you fight them, the more it escalates/ the more reinforcements arrive - but evading/escaping them would not require an exploit (unlike concord).
In short- it wouldn't necessarily be suicide to commit acts of aggression in 0.5.

Then add the same force to 0.4, except it only webs and doesn't scram.
This would provide a bit of a "gradient" between high sec, and low sec.

At the moment, low sec is pretty much all the same security level despite the number: Gate and station guns which are tankable.

neither idea is good.. high sec is high sec. and removing low end ice from high sec sucks as an idea concidering the pos's it supports in high sec... ice product will not get to the high sec folk unless they prices are out of reach,

Dumb idea.

From what I've read, yes, they are planning on removing high sec ice.

I'd prefer they kept the ice where it is, and made "High sec" vs "low sec" less of a binary state, and more of a gradient as the numerical security ratings suggest.

Basically: in 0.5 and 0.4, you encourage hit and run attacks over suicide attacks - by giving aggressors a chance of fleeing with their ship intact (but make it such that standing and fighting for too long is a losing proposition)

Why the big push to get people out of highsec? Removing ice from highsec? Are they insane?

What's wrong with wanting to play the game in highsec?

Oh, that's right, not enough victims going into places where they can be roasted by people with nothing better to do..

Sorry, this gets a big thumbs down. Stop picking on highsec players, we pay too (well some of us do.)

The alternative is simple.

Don't. It's a stupid, economy breaking idea.

I'm not trying to pick on high sec players.

I've observed that some people wanted to remove high sec ice, and I've proposed a compromise, where something exists between high sec and low sec.

*an addendum to my idea- even if they warp away, they still get pursued by the empire navies, their only recourse is to wait out a 15 minute timer by docking up (perhaps remove their ability to dock during this timer?), being constantly in warp for 15 min, or leaving the system.

Imagine travelling through a 0.4 system in an expensive BS... some gank BC comes in and gets under your guns- you are going to lose, but not immediately - the Empire navy shows up, and the guy attacking you retreats.

0.4 has been made safer, but still far from safe - it would be a big help if you got a mining fleet with logi support and escorts - if your group is attacked, your escorts can count on Empire navies helping them out.

In 0.5, aside from suicide ganking, you'd face more expensive ships, that intend to retreat.
I suppose an alternative is to add the scramming empire navy to 0.4, keep concord in 0.5, and the non scramming empire navy to 0.3.
But then the low sec pirates will whine about their playgrounds getting nerfed.

This thread has links to other threads on the issue of high sec ice, a lot of reading:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18519&p=2