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xarjin
International Speciality Machines
#21 - 2013-02-19 23:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.



also confirned years ago by a senior GM


https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs

Senior GM Lelouch verified that software and hardware multiboxing is indeed legal in Eve in this forum reply to my eve-o thread:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10

Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00

Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support
Im a Corpse
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-02-19 23:47:36 UTC
I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool.

Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining?

Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....*lots* of Smartbombs.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#23 - 2013-02-19 23:50:15 UTC
Im a Corpse wrote:
I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool.

Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining?

Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....*lots* of Smartbombs.

I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-02-20 00:09:14 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Im a Corpse wrote:
I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool.

Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining?

Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....*lots* of Smartbombs.

I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans.

That was a bug which was fixed with Retribution.
You can now smartbomb mass multiboxing ice miners to your heart's content.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#25 - 2013-02-20 00:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Im a Corpse wrote:
I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool.

Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining?

Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....*lots* of Smartbombs.

I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans.

That was a bug which was fixed with Retribution.
You can now smartbomb mass multiboxing ice miners to your heart's content.

OK, did not know that. What if they wise up and use the keystroke duplicator to do the action "warp to the top bookmark in your list" but every client has a different bookmark? Now they are scattered all over a 200 km long roid belt.

Edit: In fact, they do not even need be in the same solar system.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-02-20 00:19:09 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
What if they wise up

Yeah, okay. Like that'll ever happen.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kate stark
#27 - 2013-02-20 00:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
Google Voices wrote:
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*



Isboxer has been discussed at length, and the definitive answer seems to be "it's Allowed".

However it clearly violates the EULA.

"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Seems clear that if you are using it to facilitate faster acquisition of items, it shouldn't be a grey area, it should be a breach of the EULA.

However, in the interest of facilitating CCP making more money, the rules seem to bend around it... Cool




read what you quoted from the eula. it clearly doesn't violate it.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
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