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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2013-02-19 22:35:55 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


They're probably forbidden from acts that could be seen as "griefing" or being "asshats", both of which are subjective terms anyway.

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Whitehound
#22 - 2013-02-19 22:37:38 UTC
I know when the CCP employees are playing...

  • When nobody buys your stuff and you want to take it down does someone suddenly come along and buys it all.
  • When a convo opens and the guy says something nice about your bio and disappears again.
  • When your courier contracts are running out and you get ready to haul it yourself, when someone then moves it in record time.
  • When your auction after two weeks finds not a single bidder and in the last minute someone buys it for the full buyout price.

These are the moments when you know ... it was a CCP employee!!

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-02-19 22:42:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.

please enact a policy that any dev touching suicide ganking has to go out and actually do it some before deciding that it is currently overpowered

part of the problem is that if you don't actually do something the difficulties about it aren't apparent "oh you just get into a ship and blow him up" seems easy. But dealing with warpins, bounces that **** your tracking, getting jammed by faction police, etc, all these things don't occur to the balancer because they've not suicide ganked in years (if at all)

this is a particularly important issue because it keeps getting nerfed (insurance, barge buff, can't warp with a gcc, etc)

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#24 - 2013-02-19 22:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.

please enact a policy that any dev touching suicide ganking has to go out and actually do it some before deciding that it is currently overpowered

part of the problem is that if you don't actually do something the difficulties about it aren't apparent "oh you just get into a ship and blow him up" seems easy. But dealing with warpins, bounces that **** your tracking, getting jammed by faction police, etc, all these things don't occur to the balancer because they've not suicide ganked in years (if at all)

this is a particularly important issue because it keeps getting nerfed (insurance, barge buff, can't warp with a gcc, etc)


I'm pretty sure that Fozzie and the other game designers are familiar with suicide ganking.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-19 23:03:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I sincerely hope that every CCP employee involved in developing and implementing EVE is a regular player. The consequences of occasional malfeasance to the game are trivial compared to the consequences of it being looked after by people who are indifferent and ignorant of it.


They should be required to run the newbie tutorials once a week to enforce how bad they are.

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2013-02-19 23:04:19 UTC
In a game the size of EVE we can never expect to have employees playing all aspects at all times, so we rely on our knowledge and experience of game design in general, the foundational principles of EVE's design in particular, and collecting feedback from players who have such direct gameplay knowledge.

This method applies to many aspects of the game, if we couldn't pull it off with suicide ganking we'd have more serious problems. Smile

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#27 - 2013-02-19 23:10:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I sincerely hope that every CCP employee involved in developing and implementing EVE is a regular player. The consequences of occasional malfeasance to the game are trivial compared to the consequences of it being looked after by people who are indifferent and ignorant of it.


They should be required to run the newbie tutorials once a week to enforce how bad they are.


You think they're bad? Believe me when I say the current newbie tutorials are far superior to what they were 4 years ago. They used to consist of "Here's a ship, there's a rat, try not to die" and "Here's a Rubiks cube, now go fornicate with yourself"

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#28 - 2013-02-19 23:16:43 UTC
There was a running gag in my corp that I was a dev alt.

If I were a dev, the golem I killed last night would have dropped at least ONE of the three x-types it was carrying.

(seriously, all he had was 3 Pith x-type x-large shield boosters, and they were all destroyed. CCP hates me.)

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#29 - 2013-02-19 23:20:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I sincerely hope that every CCP employee involved in developing and implementing EVE is a regular player. The consequences of occasional malfeasance to the game are trivial compared to the consequences of it being looked after by people who are indifferent and ignorant of it.


They should be required to run the newbie tutorials once a week to enforce how bad they are.


You think they're bad? Believe me when I say the current newbie tutorials are far superior than they were 4 years ago. They used to consist of "Here's a ship, there's a rat, try not to die" and "Here's a Rubiks cube, now go fornicate with yourself"

That actually happened to my wife when I tried to get her into the game. She was told to kill the first rat, which she did. "That was easy. Oh look two more!" While she was flying over to them she happened to hover the mouse over the gun and the tooltip popped up saying "no charge". She thought it meant that it was no longer useable. "Ill just use the other gun". That is, the miner. When that did not work she sat there wondering what to do next and the rats killed her.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-19 23:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I sincerely hope that every CCP employee involved in developing and implementing EVE is a regular player. The consequences of occasional malfeasance to the game are trivial compared to the consequences of it being looked after by people who are indifferent and ignorant of it.


They should be required to run the newbie tutorials once a week to enforce how bad they are.


You think they're bad? Believe me when I say the current newbie tutorials are far superior than they were 4 years ago. They used to consist of "Here's a ship, there's a rat, try not to die" and "Here's a Rubiks cube, now go fornicate with yourself"


The could be improved. I tried getting some of my friends to start playing EVE and they got stuck on the first set of tutorials. They tried describing to me what it said and what they were supposed to do and I couldn't tell what they were supposed to do simply by them telling me what the tutorial said.

So I flew to the newbie station and started doing the aura missions myself and I got stuck because it wouldn't turn in the item. Its been years since I had to do them. I finally got them past the first aura mission despite the fact I couldn't complete the mission.

I could only imagine what a person who doesn't have a player on Skype helping them goes through.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-02-19 23:30:34 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.


But the galaxy requires balance. Get a special exemption!

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Josef Djugashvilis
#32 - 2013-02-19 23:36:23 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


The use of the word, 'wretches' again by a goon person. See posts by Andski for details

Looks like they are given a 'word of the month' to use by their corp.

Still, beats them having to think for themselves.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-02-19 23:42:12 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
CCP developers do play Eve, and are present in all walks of life in the game.

Of course, they have to remain strictly anonymous, and are not allowed to leak or use any insider knowledge. I'm not aware of the full extent of the restrictions placed upon them. Still, keeping the game fair is a serious concern, and it is why the Internal Affairs department exists.


Yeah but, that's like expecting that your best friend who is always hanging around your wife isn't sleeping with her. In the back of your mind you ALWAYS know better.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#34 - 2013-02-19 23:51:27 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


The use of the word, 'wretches' again by a goon person. See posts by Andski for details

Looks like they are given a 'word of the month' to use by their corp.

Still, beats them having to think for themselves.


That's why TEST are more genuine. Some Goons are slowly drifting towards BoB elitism and asshattery. And that's bad, because there are really several of them I like or at least respect a lot.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-02-19 23:53:19 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


The use of the word, 'wretches' again by a goon person. See posts by Andski for details

Looks like they are given a 'word of the month' to use by their corp.

Still, beats them having to think for themselves.

month? we been doing dis for years

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-02-19 23:55:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's why TEST are more genuine. Some Goons are slowly drifting towards BoB elitism and asshattery. And that's bad, because there are really several of them I like or at least respect a lot.

yes if only goonswarm was not drifting towards asshattery and remained true to the ideals of remedial, and his code of pure space honor and forums honor and not getting millions of dollars in fines for scamming bankrupt people

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-02-19 23:57:07 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.


There is a light side to eve!?
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-19 23:57:57 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
In a game the size of EVE we can never expect to have employees playing all aspects at all times, so we rely on our knowledge and experience of game design in general, the foundational principles of EVE's design in particular, and collecting feedback from players who have such direct gameplay knowledge.

This method applies to many aspects of the game, if we couldn't pull it off with suicide ganking we'd have more serious problems. Smile


"General policy" implies that it's not a choice though, that it's something you're obliged to follow whether you want to or not.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#39 - 2013-02-19 23:58:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's why TEST are more genuine. Some Goons are slowly drifting towards BoB elitism and asshattery. And that's bad, because there are really several of them I like or at least respect a lot.

yes if only goonswarm was not drifting towards asshattery and remained true to the ideals of remedial, and his code of pure space honor and forums honor and not getting millions of dollars in fines for scamming bankrupt people


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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#40 - 2013-02-19 23:59:39 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Why is suicide ganking forbidden? Maybe if CCP employees actually explored it instead of listening to the wail of wretches who would otherwise be wailing about how they need to be at their keyboard twice in one hour for their mackinaw, CCP would be less likely to make unwarranted nerfs to suicide ganking.


The use of the word, 'wretches' again by a goon person. See posts by Andski for details

Looks like they are given a 'word of the month' to use by their corp.

Still, beats them having to think for themselves.


You noticed that too, huh?
I figure they have weekly meetings and are handed talking points, just like any other propaganda team.