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Petition - Full ban of multi boxing programs which duplicate clicks.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2013-02-19 20:56:47 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
That's not how keybroadcasters work however.

it's the same principle tho.



No it isn't. It's a simple fact of using software which CCP has a way to enforce the use of, over hardware which CCP does not.

That's an entirely seperate discussion =)

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#302 - 2013-02-19 21:21:48 UTC
Removed some off topic posts. Remember to keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Kate stark
#303 - 2013-02-19 21:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed some off topic posts.

no, you didn't.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#304 - 2013-02-19 21:38:57 UTC
My entire reply wasn't off topic nor uncivil, yet it got removed =(.

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Kate stark
#305 - 2013-02-19 21:40:23 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
My entire reply wasn't off topic nor uncivil, yet it got removed =(.


for once, i actually agree with you.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#306 - 2013-02-19 22:31:34 UTC
Since some people have a hard time understanding what "automation" of game play is, here's a very obvious example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=50SEmXDh6Bw#!
xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#307 - 2013-02-19 23:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
this thread is a disgrace and beating a dead horse. this issue was discussed years ago and decided upon.

https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs

Senior GM Lelouch verified that software and hardware multiboxing is indeed legal in Eve in this forum reply to my eve-o thread:

Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10

Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support
Barakkus
#308 - 2013-02-20 00:17:12 UTC
I have used ISBoxer for EQ2, but no reason to in EVE, I have no problem with them since someone is still sitting at the keyboard operating the game clients.

STFU and go play something else.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#309 - 2013-02-20 00:29:57 UTC
25 pages of deceased equine blugeoning. That thing aint getting any more tender folks. Maybe at page 50 that poor horse will be liquified.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2013-02-20 06:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Murk Paradox wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
That's not how keybroadcasters work however.

it's the same principle tho.



No it isn't. It's a simple fact of using software which CCP has a way to enforce the use of, over hardware which CCP does not.

That's an entirely seperate discussion =)

it's still the same principle: parallel typing. the keyboard is the button, ISBoxer (for example) is the wiring. in the end there's no automation because it's a living human person doing all the typing times n.

also, it's not that CCP doesn't have control of, it's just that as long as the accounts aren't doing more than they are supposed to, CCP doesn't care because they are getting more monies.


IF they cared, they would ban multiboxing altogether, making people having one account only, which in terms of business practice is totally wrong

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#311 - 2013-02-20 14:44:18 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
That's not how keybroadcasters work however.

it's the same principle tho.



No it isn't. It's a simple fact of using software which CCP has a way to enforce the use of, over hardware which CCP does not.

That's an entirely seperate discussion =)

it's still the same principle: parallel typing. the keyboard is the button, ISBoxer (for example) is the wiring. in the end there's no automation because it's a living human person doing all the typing times n.

also, it's not that CCP doesn't have control of, it's just that as long as the accounts aren't doing more than they are supposed to, CCP doesn't care because they are getting more monies.


IF they cared, they would ban multiboxing altogether, making people having one account only, which in terms of business practice is totally wrong



I don't think it's an argument of whats allowed or how to compare. It's a simple matter of saying "it should NOT be allowed and here is why...".

As much as it is legal, you can't say it is NOT close to botting, no matter what the GM says is allowed or not.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2013-02-20 15:50:09 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

I don't think it's an argument of whats allowed or how to compare. It's a simple matter of saying "it should NOT be allowed and here is why...".

As much as it is legal, you can't say it is NOT close to botting, no matter what the GM says is allowed or not.



You should have stopped right there...

There's nothing simple about ignoring other people's opinions in favor of your own. Very bad things happen when people do that, as history shows.

Argument is a good thing.
Whitehound
#313 - 2013-02-20 16:12:50 UTC
Multiboxer hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#314 - 2013-02-20 16:21:16 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

I don't think it's an argument of whats allowed or how to compare. It's a simple matter of saying "it should NOT be allowed and here is why...".

As much as it is legal, you can't say it is NOT close to botting, no matter what the GM says is allowed or not.



You should have stopped right there...

There's nothing simple about ignoring other people's opinions in favor of your own. Very bad things happen when people do that, as history shows.

Argument is a good thing.



Sounds like you're in favor of straying off topic.... I'm not.

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Xado Employee 93847-E1
Perkone
Caldari State
#315 - 2013-02-20 16:58:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Multiboxer hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.


I can assure you sir that I do indeed have feelings!
Whitehound
#316 - 2013-02-20 17:00:46 UTC
Xado Employee 93847-E1 wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Multiboxer hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.


I can assure you sir that I do indeed have feelings!

Sure you do, but not all your many characters.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#317 - 2013-02-20 17:05:51 UTC
The sandbox has the power to make multi boxing... difficult.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#318 - 2013-02-20 17:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Whitehound wrote:
Xado Employee 93847-E1 wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Multiboxer hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.


I can assure you sir that I do indeed have feelings!

Sure you do, but not all your many characters.

Wat?

Okay, you're going a bit off the beam. Smile

The same person plays however many accounts he has, they are not seperate and self sufficient entities. That person is still playing them, they are not emotionless machines.

Also, multiboxers make excellent targets. They are far less able to defend themselves than a group of individual players. it is more difficult for them to remain situaionally aware of what is transpiring to all of their ships, and much easier to get them to make an error. And if they make even one error, all of the ships they control make that same mistake.

Meat to the grinder. Smile

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#319 - 2013-02-20 20:08:02 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Klymer wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

I don't think it's an argument of whats allowed or how to compare. It's a simple matter of saying "it should NOT be allowed and here is why...".

As much as it is legal, you can't say it is NOT close to botting, no matter what the GM says is allowed or not.



You should have stopped right there...

There's nothing simple about ignoring other people's opinions in favor of your own. Very bad things happen when people do that, as history shows.

Argument is a good thing.



Sounds like you're in favor of straying off topic.... I'm not.


Are you sure you know that the topic is? You obviously don't know how a bot works nor do you know how multiboxing software like ISBoxer works. Of course you aren't alone as there are quite a few people in this thread that don't know what the differences are either, so I'll throw you all a bone.

Mining bots will continue to mine, dock, unload their ore holds and then go back and mine some more without any intervention from a live person.





Whitehound wrote:

Multiboxer Botting programs hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.


FTFY
Xado Employee 93847-E1
Perkone
Caldari State
#320 - 2013-02-20 20:45:57 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Xado Employee 93847-E1 wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Multiboxer hardly contribute to the number of ship explosions, they are emotionless machines and dominate the economy over real, living, feeling players.

There is your argument.


I can assure you sir that I do indeed have feelings!

Sure you do, but not all your many characters.


I checked with all 17 employees of Xado Industries and they all said they had feelings.