EVE General Discussion

BS staggering 3-4 shield reps and 3-4 armor reps with buffer fit barge (as buffer as they get anyway...) imo.

Alertness with gameplay that consists of :target rock, hit lasers, move ore into can/orca every few mins, repeat when rock depletes... no thanks.

I would be impressed if most of those orcas had more then 150K EHP. I'm not saying its invincible, if someone wants to kill you, your going to die regardless of how you fit it, but any small roaming gank gang won't do much to it. You guys are a different story.

I was thinking the same thing but about jack the rippers victims.. if they had just stayed inside they wouldn't have been viciously murdered for the more part. Wasn't jacks fault; he was just the unofficial curfew inforcer.. and it reminds me of the mean girls in my jr high school who smeared mud on my pants because they didn't like the color.. "next time don't wear that color", they said.. looking back at it it was obviously all my fault....

So yeah now I know what to do.. ........

That's a pretty short sighted comment.
If they know it's dangerous and they still do it, then it's their own fault.

If they didn't know ... then it's something different,
but pretty much every ice miner in gallente space, by now,
should already know that he'll get killed ... hence it's his own fault.

Can you spell personal responsibility ?
I know, that's something widely ignored in nowadays society...

Good grief. Time to enter warp doesn't depend on what direction you're facing if you're standing still.

No. The low slots are not available for anything. The low slots are for exactly two modules: DCII and Bulkhead II. Cargo expanders are the worst thing you can fit to an Orca. They easily reduce the tank by some 40%-60%, depending on what other mistakes you make with the fit.

The fit you mentioned should not be a favourite because it is horrid - it does not have “double the EHP” - it has half the EHP it should have... and it lacks an MWD, probably the third most useful module an Orca can fit. The extenders are pointless (you get shield buffer points from extender rigs) and no, while you should definitely put some invuln fields on it, the Orca is not a shield tanker.

Don't worry about me - my Orcas have 300k EHP and warp in 10 seconds.

I see that you're not very smart. I picked a Delve system at random. I thought the instructions I gave you would have been the clue that I was joking. Why would I bother hunting you? If you're not mining and trying to prove that the crap in the OP is somehow true, then there's really no point in it, is there?

"You and anyone you bring along will burn in a fire. - This includes capital ships." A roleplaying FW corp? FW combat? The worst, most poorly FC'd fleets in EVE? Your corp has a 2:1 success rate in combat and your killboard is full of T1 junk in losec. You must be drunk already. If you had half the balls you seem to think you do, you'd be fighting in nullsec instead of splashing around in the kiddie pool.

When I said stay aligned, I meant stay aligned at 75% or more of your max speed. I would call this active align personally.

Being stationary, like most miners do, will not let you accelerate and warp you out fast enough if danger appears on your overview. Staying moving (even slowly with cargo expanders) makes the aligned warp out instant, and it makes you more difficult to get a bump on.

Fortune favors the prepared, attentive miner, who isn't mining in an area where people have sworn to destroy you.

I understand solo mining of ice and such bores many players, please keep sharing with CCP on how to fix this. But a much more fun way to mine is to do it in groups, socializing and such to pass the time, and to work in areas where there's either less gankers, or greater security. Multi boxers (not everyone bots) beat mining boredom by giving themselves several things to do at once (at the cost of increased risk of gankage).

Several have mentioned removing Concord so miners can shoot back. This is much more easily resolved by moving to lowsec, and being part of a mining corp that does active fleets with armed guards and dedicated haulers. This is how wormholers survive.

There should never be an activity in a game like EvE that carries zero risk, this is all by intentional design. Those wanting suicide ganks to be eliminated will never change CCP's minds, that's just not the type of game this is. But there are lots of ways to pass the time while mining if you're bored, and common sense methods to completely avoid something that cannot be stopped (the wave of Goon ganks). You're picnicking on railroad tracks. You can either have running shoes on, and be listening for the whistle, or you can move the picnic to the nearby beach instead. Shouting and waving at the train will simply get you run over.

No matter what you do in EvE, there is no reason to be shocked or appalled when you're not paying attention and you die. Eve is a game to played at the keyboard, with eyes on the screen, even if you're managing a few tasks besides simply monitoring your barge. Complaining because you die in a moment of complacency or distraction is simply bad sportsmanship.

If you're bored, give feedback (on appropriate threads, NOT this one) on how to make mining more interesting. But this thread isn't about whether you disagree with CCP's game design - its about how to survive and have fun within the framework of the game as it stands right now. I'm not endorsing suicide ganking at all, I've never engaged in this activity once, as I dont find it fun. I'm simply saying that thousands have enjoyed mining and avoided ganks, and you can to. Listen to your fellow miners in the thread, they have great advice.

oh dont worry, i checked in eft before posting, it doesnt get you 300k. what you are looking for is 255k with all skills up to lvl 5

also that build wihtout at shield tank costs about 407 mil isk, and it can still be taken out in under 10 seconds but 3 ships costing less then 150 mil

your to jump time of 10 sec also seems a little off, as align time is sitting at 40 seconds. you going to post your build?

Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

And actually, its pretty spot on and in no way a short sighted comment. Essentially this thread tell miners to be vigilant 24/7, which is fine. But its like telling the woman who was raped, or the victims of serial killers or the girl wearing the wrong color pants that if they had been vigilant 24/7, none of those bad things would have happened to them either. Try to twist it however, but its the same thing. No one is going to be on guard 24/7, period. Most certainly not in a game, and to try to shift the personal responsibility of YOUR attack onto someone who is minding their own affairs, well, it tells me that people lack the ability to account for their own actions. This thread is nothing more than an attempt to ease one's conscience and shift fault, that's it.

Nothing is ungankable. NOTHING. I don't care what you do, or in what you do it in, it will happen. Some of these are very useful tips, and I applaud that. But don't expect people to take blame for something you do. That shows a glaring lack in personal responsibility. Just saying.