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R.I.P Minmatar tempest
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Sofia Bellard
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-10-27 01:22:33 UTC
Stealth buff Tempest so it is retardedly OP whine detected.

Seriously, the tempest is a great ship and does not need to be buffed.

Poor sad little pirates,  why you so mad?
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-10-27 01:26:06 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Denidil wrote:
except she has more survivability than a tornado

'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win
'nados vs caps = bwahahahah




whats survivability matter for a suicide boat?


it doesn't have to be a suicide boat if you use it right.


Not that it would be hard to use right; that its damn near designed to be a suicide ganker. All these new BCs are

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#23 - 2011-10-27 01:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
Kengutsi Akira wrote:


Not that it would be hard to use right; that its damn near designed to be a suicide ganker. All these new BCs are


so unimaginative.


speed tank.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2011-10-27 01:46:09 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:
Differnt ships different uses......



Agreed. There is a purpose for every ship in the game, and there will be a niche for the Tempest.

So far the best use of the Rohk I can find is as a Gas Harvester "Gassy Rohk" for it's 5 turrets and Cargo space. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Alara IonStorm
#25 - 2011-10-27 01:53:46 UTC
Abominare wrote:
and its tank will easily be equal to or greater than the pest due to the fact it gets three tank slots vs the pests normal two, so unless it has really gimp base stats itll be just as tanky and easily just as fast as a properly fit pest.

No it won't, not even close.

Here are the prlim stats for the Tornado.

shieldCapacity: 2165.0
armorHP: 2272.0
hp: 2165.0

Tempest Base Stats

Shield 6211
Armor 6954
Hull 6641

It has a considerable lead. The Tempest also has 4 Shield Tank Slots in an Alpha Fleet and 3 in a Nano AC Gang.

Add Heavy Neuts and a 75m2 Drone Bay and the Tempest is fine.
Abominare
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#26 - 2011-10-27 02:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Abominare
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Abominare wrote:
and its tank will easily be equal to or greater than the pest due to the fact it gets three tank slots vs the pests normal two, so unless it has really gimp base stats itll be just as tanky and easily just as fast as a properly fit pest.

No it won't, not even close.

Here are the prlim stats for the Tornado.

shieldCapacity: 2165.0
armorHP: 2272.0
hp: 2165.0

Tempest Base Stats

Shield 6211
Armor 6954
Hull 6641

It has a considerable lead. The Tempest also has 4 Shield Tank Slots in an Alpha Fleet and 3 in a Nano AC Gang.

Add Heavy Neuts and a 75m2 Drone Bay and the Tempest is fine.


On a small gang role, you don't typically have alpha fleets, but you might as well bring a mael if you want alpha. And you have 2 tank slots in a nano gang. Not 3. With the extra mid on the nado your shield tank will be similar, and your sig will likely be smaller depending on the specific setup. Though true the pest will have more buffer in the post shield phase, in which you're usually screwed anyways

I'm not saying the Tempest will be out of a job, just pointing out that this level of competition for a small gang is going to make justifying the tempest a little harder for some pilots.
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#27 - 2011-10-27 02:27:36 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Tornado = Pathetic Tank, Tempest = Battleship Tank
Tornado = 0 Drone Space, Tempest = 75 Drone Space
Tornado = 0 Extra Utility, Tempest = 2 Heavy Neuts

Once again are hearts go out to another brave Battleship who hast met his end fighting valiantly on the forums. The Tempest will Live on in our Minds and in our Game. Though it has died on the forums it will still exist in this afterlife we call EVE, Neuting Vagabonds, Flying along side 1400mm Maelstroms and being able to survive an attempted alpha from over 20 Drakes unlike the Tornado.

R.I.P Tempest, I will see you in Game.

This is a good post(TM). The new tier3 BCs are an excellent implementation of the rock, paper, shotgun principle that is so important in a game like eve and was thrown wildly out of balance with the advent of the buffed supercaps back in Dominion and the Angel faction ships.

For the most part, T3 BCs are excellent range kiters against ships that they outrange (the Talos notwithstanding, which has other strengths) and make for excellent hit and run snipers with their small sig res, high speed and agility and fast locking speeds. They will, however, be weaker in general than BS due to their cruiser size tank and they will suffer when smaller ships get in under their guns (with the exception of the Talos with its 90% web strength) as they no drones and no utility highs for neuts, smartbombs or remote reppers.

Being fairly cheap, however, they will make a good isk trade against faction battleships. The Oracle will make a killer 80km scorch platform, the Nagos a great fast moving long range sniper and you will see Tornado alpha gangs on the overview pretty soon.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-27 02:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS


unless it's a ferox


a ferox is not a tier 1 BS

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Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#29 - 2011-10-27 02:33:35 UTC
Abominare wrote:
....

On a small gang role, you don't typically have alpha fleets, but you might as well bring a mael if you want alpha. And you have 2 tank slots in a nano gang. Not 3. With the extra mid on the nado your shield tank will be similar, and your sig will likely be smaller depending on the specific setup. Though true the pest will have more buffer in the post shield phase, in which you're usually screwed anyways

I'm not saying the Tempest will be out of a job, just pointing out that this level of competition for a small gang is going to make justifying the tempest a little harder for some pilots.

1 on 1, a Pest vs a Tornado, the Tornado will be able to dictate range, in which case the Pest can simply warp off, and unless the Tonado is cap boosting, once he gets inside heavy neut range, he's dead, all of which ignores the fact that the Pest can sic 5xec-600 drones on him and keep him jammed and therefore not firing.
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-10-27 03:14:23 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
David Grogan wrote:

only if the 'pest isn't trying to dock with your 'nado Blink


Tempests docking with Tornados - this sounds like some totally hawt spaceship pourne! Sign me up for the DVD.


uh oh

Plot for the next clear skies itt?
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#31 - 2011-10-27 04:40:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS


unless it's a ferox


The ferox is a supreme ninja ship, people usually are too busy laughing to fire on you before they die, and I even got a lol fit moros to engage me in one and fly off station to his own demise.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2011-10-27 04:41:14 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
I wouldn't give up on the Tempest yet.

The new BC's coming out will be able to fit larger guns, true, but they won't have the tank of a BS as I understand it. So one must wonder what role they will fill. Are they going to fight BS's? They'll be out-tanked. Are they going to fight other BC's and cruisers? They'll be out tracked.

I see the new BC's more useful in w-space environments. Smaller mass than a BS. Able to get into wh's that BS's can't get into. Less chances of collapsing wh's.

But, who knows how it will play out in the end.




Take heed!

I can speed tank a Cyclone in a wormhole and solo arch and mag and radar sites up to class 3 (though the luck at 3 runs out fast).

If the Tier 3 can be speed tanked (read: NOT HIT) it may come to be a great anti-sleeper tool. Throw in a painter, rig for accuracy, etc.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#33 - 2011-10-27 05:24:07 UTC
Might be a good time to start flying a curse again with all the nubbins flying paper thin battlecruisers with bs sized guns :D
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-27 06:25:11 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
Might be a good time to start flying a curse again with all the nubbins flying paper thin battlecruisers with bs sized guns :D



Or a Tempest......


Hey look you are in a 30k eHP BC and I'm in a 75k eHP BS with a tackler...come at me bro. Because honesty, I'm not trying to chase down a herd of 800mm Tornados in a nano cane, that strikes me as counter productive.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#35 - 2011-10-27 19:51:51 UTC
Denidil wrote:


'nados



*Yuck* that sounds as moronic as my niece calling 'bananas' ''nanas' when she was two - except that my niece is moronic in a cute way.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-10-27 19:54:00 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Denidil wrote:
except she has more survivability than a tornado

'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win
'nados vs caps = bwahahahah





only if the 'pest isn't trying to dock with your 'nado Blink


Titans with remote tracking will still be able to one shot those with capital guns. Twisted

Make it so remote tracking doesn't work on Titans
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2011-10-27 20:00:16 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
If the stats released for the tornado are correct, there will be no need for the minmatar tempest anymore.

She is a wonderful rust bucket and I will miss her.

Were it only true .. the Tempest is easily the ugliest BS around!


No. Just... no.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#38 - 2011-10-27 20:19:37 UTC
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS


unless it's a ferox


Hey I used to fly a Ferox!

Then again, at the time it was the only bc the Caldari had....
Inficant
Serenity Smuggling
#39 - 2011-10-27 21:18:06 UTC
The BC class of ships are just fun to fly. A fast Minmatar BC that fits BS guns? That sounds like pure Minmatar awesomeness.... even if it isn't the best ship for some purposes, it will be fun to fly when put to whatever purpose it ends up being good for!
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#40 - 2011-10-27 21:21:29 UTC
Tempest is very fast for a battleship and offers more mobile solutions than the mael

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