EVE General Discussion

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.............risk vs reward?

I think, if I may eat humble pie for a moment, I've got a few issues which are of my own making.

I've been far too happy to just mine since I started, which yes I know I will get a bashing for being "that sort of player" who just sits and mines away endlessly and apart from a few easy level 2 and 3 kill missions is content to just mine.

I've not really explored anything lower than sec 5 space and as a result not looked at other features of the game, so as costs have risen I've been too happy to not take risks and plod on with my 20 hours a month game play.

So armed with all the "positive comments" from this post :-) , I loaded up my Fenrir with my Hulks/Mackaw's, various deep core lasers, some mining crystals, rock scanning devices, a few military ships for protection, expanded cargo bays, drones and the usual amount of stuff and with new vigor headed for 0.4 sec space to find some rare ore to mine and seek out new adventures

I was warned at the gate about proceeding from a sec 5 to a sec 4 territory but as I've read so many times, no risk no reward I thought it was worth the risks (and points for getting what happened next....)

I lasted about a minute, about, the time it took those little S*@#'s to blast my Fenrir out of the sky, thus losing about 1.8 billion in the process as I'd committed such a newbie rule and forgot insured my ship

Now i'm poorer and lost a butt load of equipment, but licking my wounds have seen the error of my ways and will try to be a better player in future


(you may now proceed to ridicule...)

This thread is a joke right ?

why don't ccp fix the price of PLEXs by selling them via NPCs ? say at 5000 isk ? that way we can all play for free and not waste any time grinding just to buy plex ?

if you're too poor to pay the subscription you need to stop playing EVE and get a job

Maybe I will play Elite, when its eventually comes out

Tiber, I think you've also missed the point of my original post. It wasn't about botting at all, it was about the price of Plex, so why focus on that one part. As for the trolls that's what all the forums in here are for, to ridicule anyone who posts.

if you want to bash on the Botting topic, there's several other threads in which OP's are proposing it, I suggest you look at those and not misdirect what I've said.

I notice you didn't comment on my Sec 0.4 venture or the price I've paid for Plex, so why bring up a long dead topic if not to make yourself look slightly foolish and jump on the what is now a dead topic bandwagon.

Ridicule my lack of PVP experience, its more topical...

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Said in honesty, taken with a pinch of salt.

The trouble is your point in the OP regarding price and rewards, was already proven to be flawed on the first page. The rest is simply you ignoring that fact and ranting nonsense.

Also if you really didn't want people to focus on the botting aspect of your post, then you shouldn't have included it. Just saying.

I don’t wish to further exacerbate an already played out post, but I felt my OP was genuine. Having spent most of my Eve Career mining and doing simple missions, my opinion (rightly or wrongly) is just that and I simply expressed that opinion as to how I felt Plex costs have risen and then I asked two questions and made a statement:

Question 1: so can someone shed any light as to why the cost of in-game plex gone up ?
Question 2: Has anyone else found the prices in the game for items has generally gone up over the past few years ?

The statement I made, which I quickly realised was a mistake was:
“At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex”

It would have been far simpler and less hassle if within the first few responses perhaps one or two had been more constructive instead of the rants I’ve had back and it was indeed several pages into the OP before someone suggested an alternative to my mining high sec game play.

The fact I mentioned the B word seems to have split the responses to the OP, some have not mentioned it and answered my Plex and cost questions, others seem to have viewed this as somewhat of a sore point and decided I must be somehow cheating and that’s what I’ve taken most flak for despite renouncing this several times over.

Perhaps if I had prefaced the post with “First time poster and new to the forum”. Would this have caused less of an out pouring of speculation on what I may or may not be doing?

It certainly warms my heart to think that dare any newbie put up such simple (perhaps misguided) posting, that he/she will get torn down rather than the alleged community of team players who I thought were here to help newbie forum posters. I wonder if some of you drive around yelling at Learner drivers in the same way, you tore me a new one simply becuase they don't understand all the rules yet

I expected to get shot down with my Fenrir adventure into 0.4 space yesterday, however oddly it’s been overlooked

Understand that if I’m playing the game like a moron that’s my prerogative it doesn’t detract from your game play nor does it affect you in any way!

Finally that my OP got such criticism proves that there is very little comradely or team spirit when it comes to Eve forum postings, there appears to be very little spirit of helping a fellow game player out with hints/tips/suggestions and it seems far easier to jump on the bandwagon and *****. I hope those of you who offered no help and offered only negative comments feel really happy with yourselves that your overwhelming lack of support/guidance for a new poster gets recognised for what it is.

New players means both real money demand for PLEX (i.e. an increase in in-game supply), as well as an increase in in-game demand for PLEX... so the effect on price of PLEX in isk isn't clear.

If CCP buffed mining, the price of what you mine would go down since they have increased supply. Your isk/hr wouldn't change.

If CCP buffed mission rewards, the price of PLEX (and everything else) would go up since you now have more isk chasing the same number of goods.

The only things CCP could do are increase the supply of PLEX, or reduce the demand... i.e. make PLEX cheaper in real money, or nerf PLEX (e.g. no sculpting).

As for botting - lets say CCP went all out and gave everyone an 'automine' button, complete with what stations to take the ore and a list of asteroid belts to visit. It would level the playing field with the illegal botters, but unless there are vast numbers of illegal botters, the price of ore and minerals would crash and the amount of isk/effort you could make would stay the same. Everyone would 'automine' while they sleep/work/etc... it would become very competitive like everything else.

Have you looked into doing courier contracts? It's the most afk way to earn isk, since CCP has given us a 'pilot bot'.

You can get enough ISKis for PLEX in just one day grinding L4 nonstop. Because if you need plex, is because you don't have money.

If you have a job, I'm sure they will pay you a lot more bucks per hour than you will get playing EvE.

If you have a job and spend all day "working" in EvE to play for free, you are doing wrong. Very wrong.

I have a job and pay with PLEX... My job only pays me £10 an hour which is 2/3rds of a PLEX an hour, whereas in game I can easily make enough ISK to afford 8 PLEX an hour. So yeah.

Man if only EVE was real.

Also PLEX is soaring downwards now.