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Why is there a measurement system for logistic??
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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-02-19 03:13:32 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Wrong forum. I believe you meant to post here: http://www.engrish.com/


He's speaking to us in our language because we're too stupid to understand him in his. So, you make a comment implying the deficiency is his. That no make-uh sense . . . in any language.



Speak for yourself, we aren't ALL incompetent in other languages. I must admit, I am amused to the level of offence you took at my joke.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2013-02-19 03:39:29 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
... what you mean by this is that every pilot in your alliance has 2 neutral logistics alts. its not the same thing.

How is pilots flying logistics ships not the same as pilots flying logistics ships?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-19 03:48:01 UTC
Thats what happens when you worry about killboard stats, dipshit.

Hello, hello again.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-02-19 08:40:52 UTC
4runner wrote:
When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at


We always give our logi a pat on the back after a big fight.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-02-19 09:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Mara Rinn wrote:
GalacticViceroy wrote:
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone.


So find pilots to fly logistics for you who love playing healers in other games and aren't slaves to their K/D ratio.

I'm someone who really, really enjoys playing healers in other games, I regularly fly logistics in EVE - and I hate it.

Logistics in EVE is like playing a healer class with a single spell and infinite mana.

What makes healing in other games challenging/interesting is balancing throughput vs mana and absorbs vs predictive healing vs reactive healing.

(In pvp another aspect of healing is to draw the enemies' attention and make him use his cc & long cooldown spells on you - this aspect exists to some degree in small gang pvp in EVE.)

In EVE all your logistics setups are cap stable, the only throughput-related decision you can make is when to overheat, absorbs don't exist at all and while predictive healing would be desirable in armor fleets the reality is that incoming damage is applied almost instantly (and without a predictable pattern) and fleets are too large for logis to do more than to react to (late) broadcasts.

I wish CCP would at least give us some "extreme throughput that will drain your cap within seconds, no matter your fitting/cap chain/..." option to make logistics more interesting to fly.

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#26 - 2013-02-19 09:33:38 UTC
4runner wrote:
When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at


Then you have terrible pilots. Logi will ******* do everything to keep you alive. If you can't grasp that, you should just be reduced to flying frigates.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2013-02-19 11:11:51 UTC
4runner wrote:
When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at

When my Bhaalgorn a) Has cap and b) Does not explode I am typically pretty grateful.

It isn't CCPs job to correct the crappy attitude of your corpmates.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#28 - 2013-02-19 12:55:23 UTC
Rain6637
other games [:=d wrote:
i was a medic in the Army. a l337 one. expert shot, perfect PT score.
... snip ...

i DIGRESS. GOOD TIMES


It must be a state of mind thing - I'm also ex-military field medic and my FW character is focussed on logi.

Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-19 13:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dante Uisen
I once played i game that had a meter that showed the damage and healer done by the players, it was pretty cool.

The meter was so awesome that we spend as much time analyzing the numbers as we did playing the game, why spend time killing the dragon and saving the princess when you can analyze numbers and whine and shout about how much everyone sucks...
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#30 - 2013-02-19 13:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Psychotic Monk wrote:
True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km.


Yep, besides that's what ECM drones are for...

The logi pilot knows he's an integral part of the team. If fleet-mates broadcast on time and the alpha isn't so bad, logi will turn defeat into victory. Any fleet with logi that dies is because it didn't have enough logi to take on the threat - and that's the FC's problem not logi's problem. Serious people won't even undock until they reach a certain logi:dps ratio.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#31 - 2013-02-19 13:43:39 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km.


Yep, besides that's what ECM drones are for...

The logi pilot knows he's an integral part of the team. If fleet-mates broadcast on time and the alpha isn't so bad, logi will turn defeat into victory. Any fleet with logi that dies is because it didn't have enough logi to take on the threat - and that's the FC's problem not logi's problem. Serious people won't even undock until they reach a certain logi:dps ratio.


I was in a fail alliance, and they never grasped the concept of logi needing to be MINIMUM of 25% of a fleet.
Darkside or PL would come calling with a ratio of 30% or better, and even though we had superior overall numbers, we would get hammered.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-02-19 22:27:05 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
There is. The one that wins the battle is the one with the best logi pilots. That's all the metric you need.
I can't even begin to tell you how untrue that is. Better logi is better, sure, but there are so many mitigating factors that it is entirely possible, in fact common, for crap logi to not cause a failure. It's also rather common (in PVP) for good logi to die horribly.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Krazynikomo
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-19 23:32:23 UTC
GalacticViceroy wrote:
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.


How about you stop recruiting morons who care about killboards and recruit smart people?
Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-19 23:35:10 UTC
GalacticViceroy wrote:
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.


Killmails don't measure anything. I'm terrible and my KB is well in the green
Nog Sidewinder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-02-19 23:42:39 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:

To the OP, as if bringing an expensive logi ship to your sucky fleet is any joy. Also, when is the last time you said "thank you" to them, or "good job logis."



That sucks, I hear praise of logi both during the fight on a good save, and afterwards from FC and others, on every single fleet that brings them along.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-02-19 23:45:36 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill.


Eh, thats different. Those guys arent directly responsible for the outcome of a conflict. Logistics can be the difference between winning and losing a battle.

As a side note:
Why are they called Logistics pilots anyway? I thought Logistics meant Shipping? Since when did it mean repair? I mean, when I think of Logistics, I think of either

1. UPS
2. My S4 department in the Marines that dealt moving stuff from A --> B

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-02-20 00:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Montevius Williams wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill.


Eh, thats different. Those guys arent directly responsible for the outcome of a conflict. Logistics can be the difference between winning and losing a battle.


iunno, i thought it was a valid point, actually.

//logi proof: this is a main

(the two newest characters are on that fast track to perfect multi racial logi that I mentioned in my first post of this thread)

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-20 03:00:26 UTC
Reward your logis with extra spoils from victory.

edit: and pay for their ships :)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-02-20 08:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
fact checking time: the 18 out of 241 medics who earned the Expert Field Medical Badge are listed at the bottom of this news release pdf. CCP folks on the forums can find my name among them, which is the same as my account info including email.

just for who is interested. because it's not a small issue when people claim "false valor" and the EFMB is earned by less than 1% of US Army medics.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
ChaseX
The Executives
#40 - 2013-02-20 09:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ChaseX
Degren wrote:
Thats what happens when you worry about killboard stats, dipshit.


what he said. flying logistics is fun for me and i couldn't care less about killmails or people that require killboard links for e-fame.

Rain6637 wrote:
fact checking time: the 18 out of 241 medics who earned the Expert Field Medical Badge are listed at the bottom of this news release pdf. CCP folks on the forums can find my name among them, which is the same as my account info including email.

just for who is interested. because it's not a small issue when people claim "false valor" and the EFMB is earned by less than 1% of US Army medics.


does anyone here actually care? don't think so
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