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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#1 - 2011-10-24 19:21:35 UTC
The new direction of CCP is great and i am more than happy with that.

But..

Nothing is being added to the game to adress eve's biggest failing. That EvE requires a large time investment each and every play period. This is true for empire and 0.0 players.

Many gamers have other commitments and can only play for 1-2h on a given night a certain time(after kids go to bed). SO we can not play for hours for long roams or large fleet form up or make scheduled ops for a pos bash outside our normal play time.

So what is a player who can only play a few hours a night to do?

There is a lack of fun, interesting, accessible, meaningful content.

--1.There is a lack if things to do in a short play period. Short being 1-2 hours a night.
------ a. Incursions take a long time to travel to and then join a forming fleet and it is almost time to log of.
------ b. PvP roams are great but often include many jumps and if you start you play period right when it’s forming up great….if not you often have ½ -1h of pay time left and simply log because the op will take longer
------- c. Missions, sanctums are mindless isk done to reach a goal or pay for pvp…they are boring and the though of that being the highlight of logging on makes me want to stab my eyes out
-------d. Mining is ….well mining
------- e. WH also take a decent amount of form up time past class 4.
So I’m left with solo PvP and while fun is feast or famine in terms of availability and is done more to kill time than anything else.

--2. No new content that really affects what I can do in the game.
--3. Sov warfare is boring! Yay we fleet up they run away or we stand down. Been blue balled in fleets so often I’m glad I’ve already had kids. If we do fight it’s a pos bash or a lag fest.


So what is a player who plays between 8:00 to 10:00 local time mon-fri to do? What is to excite me about EvE any longer and want to work towards something? What is fun and exciting to log on and participate in EvE that is available on a consistent basis?
EvE is simply not as accessible as it needs to be. I think 90% of EvE players currently play WoT on the side for this very reason. Posts show EvE is not growing, and EvE will not grow unless it provides fun meaning full content that is accessible to players who don’t schedule there life around a game.

So for these reasons I go sit by at the PC turn on EvE only to really lack any desire to play so log and go do something else.
EvE really needs more.

So i sit here subscribed and with eve installed and I’m looking to play for 1h.....and i have 0 motivation to log on.

Is anything planned for this? Would really help out eve a lot if more accessible content was present. these could include
Dynamic missions using sleeper AI
Dynamic group missions that scale based on your fleet. Fleeting is more fun that soloing a level 4.(incursions take to long to get to)
Faction warfare for quick accessible pvp...that may eventually mean something.

I'm sure there are others but believe give us something to do that is fun and meaningful that can be achieved within a shorter play period.

Thanks
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-24 23:35:51 UTC
I do not mean to come off as uncaring, but, while they CAN implement short and quick things players with low time investment can enjoy, they can't be all that meaningful or contribute to any large long-term goals.

EvE is a game that is ALL ABOUT risk/effort v reward, if you can only put in 1-2 hours a night in effort, you will eb rewarded as such.
EvE by nature requires a LOT of interaction and activity because it is NOT a casual game, so by principle, a casual player will find much less to do and much less reward to be had. Making it so that a player with little capable time investment can have any large goals compleetd in a productive time period while only playing 1-2 hours a night would defesat the purpose, and then everyone would use this 1-2 hour method of play to make just as much money as people who devote 5-6 hours a day.

I believe what i am trying to get across is that, yes, i agree that with the micro-management required to play EvE, it is difficult for a casual player to enjoy, and this CAN be improved, but hopefully not to the point that EvE loses either complexity or benefits from longer time investment, because as i said, EvE is not a casual players game. HOWEVER, casual players should not set their sites on large long-term goals as the only way for them to have something implemented that would allow casual players to achieve a significant goal would be to remove the complexity and time-investment required from the task, which would hurt EvE overall.

I'm sorry if at any point in this post i seemed incoherent or lacking of sense in wording, but i have been working on Calculus for the past 3 hours in studying for an Exam and i am awfully tired.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-24 23:44:24 UTC
I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

You should be asking what can I do that interests me in the time I have with eve instead of what can CCP give me?

I used to only have a few hours to play each night as well but I always found something to amuse me in eve.

I went looking for plexes, picked fights with can flippers in hi sec, went to low sec to annoy the locals, did some mining, did a mission, chatted with corpies on TS/Vent about football or the weather. I was never at a loss for something to do for an hour or so.

Eve is what you make it.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-25 00:24:51 UTC
Sorry.....there are many things you can accomplish even in an hour.

This is not the game for short play tmies and big rewards.

You get what you put into it....and just that.

I suggest PI or perhaps a couple missions or some such.

Even a quick juant around Low Sec for thrills an giggles...if your into that sort of thing.

That's just a short list of things that can be done inside an hour.

Whether they are profitable or rewarding however...is entirely up to you.


"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

The case is the same for EVE Online....one mans waste is an another mans riches.

Time is applicable in this case.

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Endovior
PFU Consortium
#5 - 2011-10-25 01:37:10 UTC
I hear you... personally, my Eve time tends to be chopped into 1-2 hour blocks before and after work, so during the week, I operate under the same restrictions. Personally, what I usually end up doing is spend my mid-week maintaining my economic activities... PI, market orders, hauling, manufacturing, whatever... and thus have plenty of isk to burn for my weekends, which is when I get involved in ops and whatnot. Try and find a balance... if you don't have much time to sink into Eve on one day, at least get the grunt work out of the way in preparation for an op later on.
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#6 - 2011-10-25 13:56:25 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
I do not mean to come off as uncaring, but, while they CAN implement short and quick things players with low time investment can enjoy, they can't be all that meaningful or contribute to any large long-term goals.

EvE is a game that is ALL ABOUT risk/effort v reward, if you can only put in 1-2 hours a night in effort, you will eb rewarded as such.
EvE by nature requires a LOT of interaction and activity because it is NOT a casual game, so by principle, a casual player will find much less to do and much less reward to be had. Making it so that a player with little capable time investment can have any large goals compleetd in a productive time period while only playing 1-2 hours a night would defesat the purpose, and then everyone would use this 1-2 hour method of play to make just as much money as people who devote 5-6 hours a day.

I believe what i am trying to get across is that, yes, i agree that with the micro-management required to play EvE, it is difficult for a casual player to enjoy, and this CAN be improved, but hopefully not to the point that EvE loses either complexity or benefits from longer time investment, because as i said, EvE is not a casual players game. HOWEVER, casual players should not set their sites on large long-term goals as the only way for them to have something implemented that would allow casual players to achieve a significant goal would be to remove the complexity and time-investment required from the task, which would hurt EvE overall.

I'm sorry if at any point in this post i seemed incoherent or lacking of sense in wording, but i have been working on Calculus for the past 3 hours in studying for an Exam and i am awfully tired.


No one is asking to make the same reward you get in 4-6h to be achievable in 1-2h play periods.

But let me work towards the 4-6 goal so in four 2h sessions i can come close. My reward per hour shoudl be lower, but I still should have fun accesable content fir both pvp and pve.

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I hear you... personally, my Eve time tends to be chopped into 1-2 hour blocks before and after work, so during the week, I operate under the same restrictions. Personally, what I usually end up doing is spend my mid-week maintaining my economic activities... PI, market orders, hauling, manufacturing, whatever... and thus have plenty of isk to burn for my weekends, which is when I get involved in ops and whatnot. Try and find a balance... if you don't have much time to sink into Eve on one day, at least get the grunt work out of the way in preparation for an op later on.


EvE time is after the kids go to bed and before I do. Every day.

I don't get 6h play time. all I do is maintain and do little things....none of wich are really fun or intresting.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2011-10-27 02:05:21 UTC
What to do in EVE Online. Pay special attention to exploration! You could look at joining Red Vs Blue. The war is perpetual, and static. It sounds to me to be an ideal situation for the casual gamer interested in PvP.

As far as Incursions go, you could be auto piloting to the new Incursion constellation while you are busy doing other things (e.g: showering or putting kids to bed).

Importantly: don't grind for ISK if you are time-poor. Consider buying ISK with PLEX, or look for activities that don't require a significant ISK investment (e.g.: RvB in T1 frigates only).

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