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CCP Nerfs and the dreaded power creep

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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-02-19 11:38:57 UTC
Cleaned this thread up a bit. Stay kosher guys, and live in harmony or I will get floundered.

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DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#42 - 2013-02-19 11:44:17 UTC
If Drake DPS got a buff forget what I said, I am now glad to be a shield tanker :D.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#43 - 2013-02-19 12:05:41 UTC
Using eve-kill top 20 to judge performance is pretty silly for several reasons.

To name one, drakes are being used much less in null-sec fleet doctrines since HML nerf. You don't mention this, yet it has a huge impact on the topic you present. Despite being used less in those doctrines, drake still remains on the top 20, nearly tied with the hurricane.

Pretty much every ship on the top 20 is being used in null fleet doctrines. This doesn't mean they are overpowered. This means that they fit the current tactical meta game, among other things.

Then there is also the issue of what skills people have available to them. I don't know the statistics on this, but let's say more eve players have the skills to fit minmatar ships and fly them well. Thus, more people would fly minmatar ships, and generate more kills with them not because they are winning every fight, but because there's just more of them out there. That being said, one can assume the top 20 eve-kill list represents more so what ships are being flown the most, then what ships are the strongest. This argument is further reinforced by null-sec doctrines, where the FC is generally deciding what the pilots will be flying. With the CFC having a doctrine for maelstroms, having many doctrines that use huggins and scimitars, hurricane doctrines, TFI doctrines etc., many pilots have probably trained projectile and minmatar spaceship skills to a competent level.

TL:DR eve-kill top 20 is a terrible reference for determining ship balance, without including other relevant statistics.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#44 - 2013-02-19 12:49:49 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
So I wanted to pick up on a Subject about nerfs that are coming primarily to the drake.
CCP tends to nerf more then buff due to what they like to call "the power creep"


Almost every single tech 1 frigate and cruiser just got boosted in the last few releases.

Your thread is invalid after 2 lines. I stopped reading.

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Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-02-19 12:56:12 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:
So I wanted to pick up on a Subject about nerfs that are coming primarily to the drake.
CCP tends to nerf more then buff due to what they like to call "the power creep"


Almost every single tech 1 frigate and cruiser just got boosted in the last few releases.

Your thread is invalid after 2 lines. I stopped reading.


The first line contains 'nerf' and 'drake', that alone should have told you to stop reading, you clearly have to much faith in the eve community.
nomad Raholan
What Corp is it
#46 - 2013-02-19 14:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: nomad Raholan
I'm ok with the changes, I made the "mistake" of cross training when I 1st started but am now able to take advantage of it with a great range of pretty much, new ships to fly. My only real complaint is the poor old Ferox, why the 10% range bonus? Would much rather have seen it swap the (pretty much useless) 8th high for a mid and a damage bonus, or extra low slot for an extra damage mod. As it is, with 7 highs you can't fit T2 250's at all and fitting T2 200's for most will require fitting mods/rigs to be able to fit any sort of tank on it. It will still make a half decent blaster fit brawler (logi keep me locked please)

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GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-02-19 15:43:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
I have an idea

Reintroduce the Hurricane with the old stats as a "Hurricane Fleet Issue"


I support anything that would result in a Fleet Issue skinned Hurricane, even if it only had 1/1/1 fitting
Caltharian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-02-19 15:51:02 UTC
overall the drake got a buff, not only is the dps at BC 4 the same as prepatch but now with 1 launcher less x amount of ammo in your hold will last you longer than it did before. Add to that the drakes cargo hold has been increased means you now have to go alot longer between docking for more missiles

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