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CCP Nerfs and the dreaded power creep

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#21 - 2013-02-19 09:04:11 UTC
Thread Derailed By Ham. Oops

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-19 09:14:54 UTC
Stay on topic asking for any post non related or any post that is intended to flame or derail the post be removed or blocked from here on out.
I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#23 - 2013-02-19 09:24:07 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Stay on topic asking for any post non related or any post that is intended to flame or derail the post be removed or blocked from here on out.
I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going.

You made one big mistake. You said that overnerfing is just as bad as power creep.

Lets say we nerf the Drake to uselessness. Then we have one battlecruiser that is useless, and the rest of the ships are useful.
Lets then say you buff the Drake to oblivion. Now there are not one ship in the game worth flying over the Drake. No frig, no cruiser no battlecruiser. Only the Drake.

See the difference here. By overnerfing you risk only breaking one ship. With power creep you risk breaking all of the other ships.

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RAP ACTION HERO
#24 - 2013-02-19 09:25:17 UTC
i can hold your hand and tell you, it's going to be ok with some lube.

vitoc erryday
Lexmana
#25 - 2013-02-19 09:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Cazador 64 wrote:

I am on the verge of either paying my account for a full year or letting the time run out on it.

If CCP continues down this warmachine of nerfs instead of finding a creative way to buff or give something back to us players I may just let my account time run out.

Is that you trying to blackmail CCP over the Drake?

BTW, I never flown the Drake but it sure had it coming. The Drake has been the answer to too many questions in EVE for too long and it made me sick of it to the point i decided to avoid it altogether. After this balancing iteration I might actually try one out. With ham of course.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#26 - 2013-02-19 10:02:46 UTC
I fly drakes, and it was ridiculous that a long range weapon system could outdamage a close range one. Seriously guys, stop comparing HML drakes with AC canes. That is why the HML was nerfed, and for a good reason.

Drakes are still awesome as close combat brawlers with HAM and uber shield tank.

And the rebalancing is doing quite a good thing to this game, because now all the ships are useful. 2 years ago this was Drake/rifter online. Now you can face ANYTHING, and fly ANYTHING, and still have fun / good fights.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#27 - 2013-02-19 10:03:00 UTC
Boohoo. MMOs need to be constantly balanced or else they develop serious problems. It's healthy for the game.

What's that saying? Adapt or Die.
Radamant Nemess
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
#28 - 2013-02-19 10:04:38 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:

I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going.


actually just...

Cazador 64 wrote:

decent conversation


On eve forum? You`re joking, right?

i can fail at any speed you like
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#29 - 2013-02-19 10:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
The drake is still capable of doing about 300-400 DPS and shooting between 30-50km with HMLs all while having about 60,000-80,000 EHP and permanently running a MWD travelling at nearly 900m/s.

If it is still all that AFTER the nerf, then I think it probably needed one.

Drakes aren't as useless as people think, it's still a pretty good kiting battlecruier, it just means that it may not be appropriate to all circumstances as it was before.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-02-19 10:11:43 UTC
Post for content: The drake changes are pretty well thought out. The HAM cyclone is pretty kickass and I think i'll be flying them quite a bit. New Ferox looks to have some serious potential as a brawler. Previous missile changes have made rockets a lot more viable.

tl;dr Caldari is in a reasonable place (though BS and capital missiles really need some work, paging CCP Fozzie)
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-02-19 10:25:50 UTC
I like the fact that the OP completely disregard mentioning the upcoming buff to the other shipclasses.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-19 10:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
mechtech wrote:
Boohoo. MMOs need to be constantly balanced or else they develop serious problems. It's healthy for the game.

What's that saying? Adapt or Die.

more like "boohoo. despite all assertions to the contrary the metagame will go stale if CCP doesn't shake it up every now and then by creating a new FOTM"

(CCP has been pretty open about this recently - they are not looking for "perfect" balance, they are looking to keep the metagame interesting even if doing so results in temporary imbalances - and that's a very controversial stance for them to take.)

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DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#33 - 2013-02-19 10:36:41 UTC
Tubrug1 wrote:
tl;dr the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.


Lol, and you do?
They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation.
By over nerfing things, they just make the remaining ships OP.

Would CCP for some reason would rather have Amarr and Gallente overpowered for a while, just because Caldari and Minmatar "had their day in the sun?" that's how it seems.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-19 10:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
What the...? Caracal is #3? Just wow!

Also like how people whine about Cane getting "a lot more kills" than Drake when Drake is #6 and Cane #5.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-02-19 10:50:35 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
What the...? Caracal is #3? Just wow!

Also like how people whine about Cane getting "a lot more kills" than Drake when Drake is #6 and Cane #5.


Deservedly so, the new Caracal is incredible
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#36 - 2013-02-19 11:10:15 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:
Tubrug1 wrote:
tl;dr the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.


Lol, and you do?
They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation.
By over nerfing things, they just make the remaining ships OP.

Would CCP for some reason would rather have Amarr and Gallente overpowered for a while, just because Caldari and Minmatar "had their day in the sun?" that's how it seems.

And they doubled it's kinetic damage bonus. They also removed a gun from the Brutix, Myrmidon and the Harbinger. Your point?

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-19 11:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-19 11:18:57 UTC
I have an idea

Reintroduce the Hurricane with the old stats as a "Hurricane Fleet Issue"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-02-19 11:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
DrunkenNinja wrote:
They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation.

They gave it a damage buff you tard. It has a double bonus now, which more than makes up for the missing launcher. Stop sleeping through math class.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-02-19 11:38:54 UTC
Oh and completely ignore to mention that the drake DPS got buffed today..

Before patch
7*1,25=8,75 effective launchers

Post patch
6*1,5=9 effective launchers

Sure this is at BC V but the dps will be same pre/post at IV.
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