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Let's talk about the Vagabond
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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-19 08:36:00 UTC  |  Edited by: culo duro
I've got two fits here i'd like to know what you guys think of.

Quote:
[Vagabond, Nano X-Large Anci]
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5


3 Tracking Enhancers, X-large Anci, 220MM guns, more active tank, more range considering 220s (45KM Barrage, 30KM Faction ammo, and 22KM Hail.)
616 DPS/1112 Volley
481 DPS Tank/1118 with a tengu booster.
17k EHP/24k EHP with a tengu booster.
3098m/s / 4024m/s Loki Booster
Resist profile is default.

Quote:
[Vagabond, Nano Large Anci]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5


3 Gyros, large Anci, 425MM guns, Less active tank, range (40KM Barrage, 30KM Faction ammo, and 23KM Hail.)
654 DPS/1333 Volley
264 DPS Tank/596 with a tengu booster.
20k EHP/30k EHP with a tengu booster.
3098m/s / 4024m/s Loki Booster
Resist profile is default.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-19 08:48:23 UTC
fancy starting off the talk with something of your own?

they look pretty much the same to me

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-19 08:59:15 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
fancy starting off the talk with something of your own?

they look pretty much the same to me


Updated

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-19 10:14:53 UTC
Don't leave without a med Neut if you can possibly fit one.

Don't die to solo TD or double dampener Condors in a Vagabond, please.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18700191#lostLoadout
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-19 10:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: culo duro
Darius Brinn wrote:
Don't leave without a med Neut if you can possibly fit one.

Don't die to solo TD or double dampener Condors in a Vagabond, please.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18700191#lostLoadout


Which is exactly why i'm trying to fit a Anci shield booster on it. If i can't kill it i can get away.

Quote:
[Vagabond, Nano X-Large Anci]
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5


Quote:
[Vagabond, Nano Large Anci Med Neut]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Shield Extender II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Arch Angel EMP M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
yer mammy
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-19 19:07:33 UTC
You won't get away. You'll just run out of cap boosters.
4runner
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-19 19:29:55 UTC
HIGS:
5X Dual 180mm II AC Republic Fleet EMP
1X Medium Power Fluctuator

MEDS:
2X Large Shield Extenders II
1X Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
1X Federation Navy 10mn MWD

LOWS:
2X Republic Fleet Gyrostabs
2X Tracking Enahancer II
1X DCU II

RIGS:
2X Projectile Ambit Extension

5X Warrior II
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-19 19:39:17 UTC
Quote:
HIGS:
5X Dual 180mm II AC Republic Fleet EMP
1X Medium Power Fluctuator

MEDS:
2X Large Shield Extenders II
1X Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
1X Federation Navy 10mn MWD

LOWS:
2X Republic Fleet Gyrostabs
2X Tracking Enahancer II
1X DCU II

RIGS:
2X Projectile Ambit Extension

5X Warrior II


There is absolutely no reason to spend this much money on a vagabond, especially with the t1 cruiser buff.... tbh there's no reason to fly a vagabond right now, especially one with a RF point
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2013-02-19 19:42:31 UTC
I remember running the numbers on a kiting 220mm Vaga and concluding that 3 TE/2 Gyro is probably better than 3 Gyro/2 TE.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2013-02-19 19:43:07 UTC
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
Quote:
HIGS:
5X Dual 180mm II AC Republic Fleet EMP
1X Medium Power Fluctuator

MEDS:
2X Large Shield Extenders II
1X Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
1X Federation Navy 10mn MWD

LOWS:
2X Republic Fleet Gyrostabs
2X Tracking Enahancer II
1X DCU II

RIGS:
2X Projectile Ambit Extension

5X Warrior II


There is absolutely no reason to spend this much money on a vagabond, especially with the t1 cruiser buff.... tbh there's no reason to fly a vagabond right now, especially one with a RF point


There's probably no other reason to fly a Vaga than having a RF point you want to spend. Even then, the Cynabal is probably a better choice.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#11 - 2013-02-19 19:43:21 UTC
4runner wrote:
HIGS:
5X Dual 180mm II AC Republic Fleet EMP
1X Medium Power Fluctuator

MEDS:
2X Large Shield Extenders II
1X Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
1X Federation Navy 10mn MWD

LOWS:
2X Republic Fleet Gyrostabs
2X Tracking Enahancer II
1X DCU II

RIGS:
2X Projectile Ambit Extension

5X Warrior II




While I appreciate a bit of tasteful bling as much as the next guy, I'm pretty sure that by the time you've gone this far with costs, you're probably better off just taking the same amount of ISK and getting a Cynabal. As it sits now, the Vaga gives you a pretty nice skirmishing performer at a substantial discount to the Cyna and is less likely to draw the "primary the faction cruiser" reaction. Just my opinion, but hey, if your wallet is settin' pretty fat and you don't mind the eventual loss mail, this looks fun.

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
4runner
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-19 19:50:47 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
4runner wrote:
HIGS:
5X Dual 180mm II AC Republic Fleet EMP
1X Medium Power Fluctuator

MEDS:
2X Large Shield Extenders II
1X Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
1X Federation Navy 10mn MWD

LOWS:
2X Republic Fleet Gyrostabs
2X Tracking Enahancer II
1X DCU II

RIGS:
2X Projectile Ambit Extension

5X Warrior II




While I appreciate a bit of tasteful bling as much as the next guy, I'm pretty sure that by the time you've gone this far with costs, you're probably better off just taking the same amount of ISK and getting a Cynabal. As it sits now, the Vaga gives you a pretty nice skirmishing performer at a substantial discount to the Cyna and is less likely to draw the "primary the faction cruiser" reaction. Just my opinion, but hey, if your wallet is settin' pretty fat and you don't mind the eventual loss mail, this looks fun.


Yeah I really want to try the Cynabal aswell, I use the Loki and Vaga for two diffrent roles, would like to try the cyna to see where it fits
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#13 - 2013-02-19 20:10:32 UTC
Well honestly, it's like a Vaga except moreso if you get my meaning. You have a similar performing ship that gives you an extra mid slot (invaluable all things being considered), an extra rig slot, and twice the drone Bndw and Bay (and those are just the most pronounced and obvious differences). Vaga sets you back about 144 mil compared to 250 mil for the Cyna so you can almost get 2 Vagas for the price of a single Cynabal.

As for the Loki, well to me it seems best as a Heavy Armored Rapier and doesn't really fly like these two, but it could of course.

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-02-19 20:36:16 UTC
So there's pretty much no reason to train HAC's for Minmatar atm?
Sseco
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-19 20:51:01 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
So there's pretty much no reason to train HAC's for Minmatar atm?



Sleipnir has some talk with you
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-20 07:58:26 UTC
Currently a Vagabond seems superior over Cynabal, just because i can fit on a XL anci booster, and have high resist and get close to a 1k1 DPS tank, i know you're not supposed to tank ****.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Jesus Rambo
Criterion.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#17 - 2013-02-20 09:58:50 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I remember running the numbers on a kiting 220mm Vaga and concluding that 3 TE/2 Gyro is probably better than 3 Gyro/2 TE.

-Liang


I remember that thread.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#18 - 2013-02-22 11:06:55 UTC
Sseco wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
So there's pretty much no reason to train HAC's for Minmatar atm?



Sleipnir has some talk with you


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