EVE General Discussion

In EVE people can do what they want. Therefor if someone wants to totally screw you over, if they want to do that they can. That means you need to be willing and able to deal with other players who for whatever reason want to interfere with what you want to do. If someone is threatening to blow up your mining barge, fit a tank on it, if someone is declaring war on you hire mercenaries and always be working to secure your ability to operate how you want, train appropriate skills, make scary friends and be willing to negotiate when it is appropriate.

And always remember, there's an entire community of people that you can give money to to make problems go away. You can find them in the Merc Contracts channel.

There are some awesome people in this game. First time my original character got blapped in low I got mailed and encouraged for having the pluck to engage her. really very civil.

I was in Center For Advanced Studies as well that NPC corp is awesome and if you want to roll a new character and get a ready made community you could not do better afaik. also bacon.

the scams and propaganda are just awful though. not like oooh i'm so tearful awful but like just really awful. i recall being mailed and mocked for buying a noob ship on one occasion. of course i congratulated him on his cool scam bro (actually i just couldn't be arsed warping in my pod to another station) but he continued to wail that i was an npc noob. i obviously requested he stop being a tedious neckbeard and didn't hear back. i think that's really the way to deal with it.

You really failed at that.

come on, at least have one EM ward field you're just trying to be edgy.

Karrin Rawlter, I feel like you have been treated a little unfairly. Let's just say I can sympathize with your sentiments, even if I don't agree with them.

What did you expect when you picked up EVE? Actually, what do you expect from games in general? There will be effort, and there will be rewards, sure, but there will also be this thing called, challenge. In most games, the challenge is presented by NPCs. In EVE, it comes from other players. Unlike the NPCs, we have to take time from our lives to log in and provide content for you. We have to pay for it with ISK we earned while fending off other players. It's really a thankless job to be an EVE pirate.

Now, what difference should it make to you that the people trying to keep you from mining are players rather than NPCs? You don't get upset that there are hostile NPCs in mining belts. do you? Are you and your friends the kind of people who would quit Super Mario when the first mushroom dudes show up. It seems like what you are saying is "Why should I play a game that dares to get in the way of flawless, uninterrupted, effortless progress on my own terms?"

Have you considered perhaps that other players enjoy the challenge? Have you considered all the work CCP has put in the game to make sure that almost everyone in every situation has some intelligent way of resisting player-created obstructions to their playstyle?

It seems your friends just threw their hands in the air at the first sign of adversity, and never attempted to overcome it.

Ultimately, my suggestion to you is to try out games where NPCs rather than players are the main "villains." It will not upset you as much psychologically knowing you are being opposed by an AI. Sure it will be a monotonous, lifeless and impersonable kind of foe but at least you will spare yourself the trauma of being surrounded by people with "sociopathic tendencies."

Wow, talk about a lot of hogwash.

First off, saying that you're "providing challenging content" for other players is a fallacy. You specifically target inexperienced / Industrial players in non-combat ships. You have removed their option of choice and are forcing this 'content' upon them. Posturing it as a selfless community service is simply pure Bullsh*t. Especially when you portray it as an inconvenience for you due to 'taking time from your lives to log in'.

The actual fact of the matter - your 'New Order' is simply trying to strong arm, extort and coerce ISK from Newbs & Industrial characters in high security with the threat of continuous suicide ganking. That is nothing more than harassment and griefing against a specific type of player group.

NPC's don't pick out a certain type of player group nor do they hunt and track down specific characters. If you really want to do a service for the community and provide challenging content, go to low security and engage some real 'Pirates'. I'm sure there's plenty of players there who would love to partake in this so called 'content' that you're trying to endorse.


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Remove newbies from that, and you might be close. They tend to leave the newbies alone, and if they do get hit, it's not unusual for them to have their losses reimbursed, simply because they're new.

Strong arming, extortion and coercion are totally valid ways to play Eve, and are not restricted to lowsec and nullsec.

I built a lowsec moon-mining/indy/pvp corp in my early days, shortly after quiting a mining corp, strictly from noobs i met in asteroid belts in 0.6 and 0.5 systems. we were fairly successful up until it came time to defend our POS against a 350-man nullsec dropout alliance, died after a weak when our allies got recalled for long-term CTA's in delve. (many fo my members ahd graduated to being cap pilots and some even FC's with atlas., against all authorities, adn a few becasme respectable members of goons, so it was nice having nullsec bros showing up to help fight a nullsec non-bro).

but yeah, i did my fair share of teaching newbs the ropes, even abck when i was still ealrning the ropes myself (in all honesty, a great deal fo the blame for that lowsec corps failure was the fact i was still mroe ro less a newbie).

and wow, this post ended up ebing longer and mroe erratic in content than i intended.

This is the greatest post ever. I love you. No homo.


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I found the OP entertaining (because it reminded me of my mistakes,) and kind of alarming. I'd be curious to know whether the OP got any recruitment mails from any of the corps/alliances running academies? I have three baby characters training up atm, and I have to admit I've only received a single corp recruitment message in three months over the three characters. when ~I first joined EVE I got loads.

I died twice in my first three days in a wormhole; not content with dying once I had the audacity to go back... could find a wormhole but not the gravimetric training site :/ Anyway, the nice people in the wormhole told me to come back after I could fit a tank (that didn't include both shield and armor reppers at the same time) and recommended I join an entity such as EVE University. Stubborn as I am I ignored that advice, and as a result I quit the game a few weeks later; confused and frustrated. In hindsight this wasn't just stubborn - it was flat out stupid of me.

When I came back to EVE, I remembered the advice of the wormhole guys and joined an academy corp of an alliance I respected and I wish I had done it sooner. EVE is a deceptively simple game that hides behind a mask of complexity, but I doubt you'd find that out alone. Most alliances have academy corps looking for players willing to learn, with veterans willing to teach, and I doubt that they would tolerate a bunch of wannabee mafioso picking on their newbee players. No one is going to save you if you're on your own, so find some friends and get even.

*edited to remove a word I didn't realise was offensive