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House Murder. Organizing for: Amarrian Arms Flight

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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#1 - 2013-02-19 03:40:13 UTC
Sometimes it is good to remember and be reminded of what we have in common, what we agree on and what unites us with our brethren and even with those not of our Faith. As such Capsuleer House Murder is calling for public support from any and all capsuleers. Amarrian Faithful practice their Faith outside the borders of the greater Amarrian Empire.

They are Caldari, Gallante, Minmatar and Ammatar. They are of Amarrian lineages. They work just us their neigbours do and participate in their areas politics and social life just like all others. However their Faith may set them apart, they work hard to honour and follow the laws of the soveregnity they call home. In light of this and in support of these courageous individuals I feel we need to recognize their work for God. Even sometimes in conditions hostile to them.

It is said most Minmatar just wish to be left alone to their lives, on this initiave I will take these people at their word and invite them to participate in the defence of their Minmatar Republic given right to freedom of religion. Sadly not all of Tribal heritage feel this way as we occationally hear. There are agitators and those who would visit violence upon men based on their Faith alone.

It saddens me to find that large part of those who have immigrated from Empire to the Republic face prejudism and attacks upon themselves up to and including physical threats and acts of violence. Even futher many of those who have traveled to the Republic are ill equipped to deal with these threats in a fashion that is culturally and lawfully correct within the Republic.

Many of these Faithful have left behind planets where the need for a commoner to carry weapons for self-defence is unheard of. Most of these immigrants to the Republic have never fired a weapon or even had the need to raise their arms in defence on their depurture from the Greater Amarr.

I would help these people to defend their lawful right to practice their religion within the Minmatar Republic. I would see them prepared to defend themselves from aggression be that from a shoolyard bully or pirate on an illegal slave raid within the Republic. The Minmatar Republic offers them the right to this, God calls them to exercise those rights responcibly.

(Capsuleers with TL/DR symptoms start reading here.)

I am calling for donations of small arms and isk to pay for small arms and to go towards paying trainers of Faith to these brethren of our how to defend themselves against all agression responcibly and lawfully. Armed and unarmed. These arms and some of the trainers will be delivered in a convoy Flight to the Republic on the first Sunday of next month (03.03.2013). Intended departure time from within Throne worlds is at midnight of Intergalactic standard. Changes in schedule are at this time possible.

House Murder.
Sadly I know will have to request all capsuleers to leave all other discussion from this thread so that that which is meant as a charity does not get tarnished by petty squabling. On Public Relations matters feel free to ask me.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-19 03:47:14 UTC
I support this effort. I will pledge fifty million ISK to your cause. I expect, however, to see receipts.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-19 05:24:57 UTC
I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.

Good luck with your program.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#4 - 2013-02-19 05:30:36 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.

Good luck with your program.


My thanks for donation of the 50 pistols.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-19 05:38:55 UTC
The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#6 - 2013-02-19 05:57:20 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals.


I have received your donation of Fifty million isk. This will be used for small arms. Laser crystals last a long time compared to projectile weapons ms. Vea. But I suspect we will have a variation of weaponry to deliver.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-02-19 19:39:16 UTC
With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ?
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#8 - 2013-02-19 20:08:36 UTC
Speaking of responsibility and lawfulness, Captain Crow, how do you intend to ferry a cargo of small arms through Amarrian space legally?
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#9 - 2013-02-19 21:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
Lyn Farel wrote:
With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ?


That is why those will not be simply distributed. They will come with training and hand-to-hand training. Now, if those who would seek harm to our brethren decide to escalate their agrression because of this. It is to our brethren to act in self-defence and accordingly. I stress that self-defence scales to the aggression that is defended against.

If instead of stopping the aggression some choose to increase it to leathal leavels because they know of our brethrens increased capacity to self-defence? Submitting to violence because someone might use more severe forms of violence if our brethren defend themselves? No. That road leads to submission to those with no respect for even their own laws. What was the Gallantean saying? "a Right unused is a right lost."

As for a Nation loyalist question into legal side of the matter. There are several options to transport these supplies, including but not limited to pilots willing to accept the punishment due to the crime committed, for the good of our brethren. The excact specifics, are my concern and fall under operational security. As minor as such in an open charity Flight can admittedly be.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-02-19 22:28:41 UTC
What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#11 - 2013-02-19 23:28:39 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?


Do not provide similar safety as many of them may be used to in the Greater Amarr, yes.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#12 - 2013-02-19 23:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Lyn Farel wrote:
What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?


That was certainly the case in my experience. Police were usually too slow, and didn't bother to do more than a token investigation of the crimes.


And Lord Crow, as I said to you in communication channels, I highly doubt the Republic will just let you hand weapons or provide self-defense training to faithful Minmatar. They're probably going to think you're trying to foster a revolt. Good luck, but don't get your hopes up.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#13 - 2013-02-20 02:30:04 UTC
I recently hucked my Hulk because I'm never in the silly thing. Furthermore, you're cause is just and your blood is pure. Consequently, I have sent you forty million ISK (so as not to engage in an unseemly contest of one upsmanship that I cannot possibly win). That said, should you at some point start an effort to recruit disaffected, unemployed feral young Sebiestor hooligans to fight with new purpose, I should gladly contribute another forty million for their... rehabilitation.

Best wishes!
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#14 - 2013-02-20 03:02:23 UTC
I have received 40million Isk from one, Gosakumori Noh. My thanks for the donation.

House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#15 - 2013-02-20 03:12:08 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention.


No, no. Not slaves. I'm well stocked in feral young Sebiestor lads. Rather, boots on the ground. I had interpreted your effort as primarily directed at Nefantar who have come under attack from the Murientor, inter alia. Opening an "unexpected" flank with other Tribes within the "unified" Republic may give an oppressed minority the breathing room it needs to get on its feet.

To the extent that you already intend to equip and train a diverse force, of course, disregard my dissembling.
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#16 - 2013-02-20 03:25:21 UTC
Not that I doubt your good intentions. But I don't believe this project is in the best interest of our faithful brothers and sisters abroad. If it were to become known that they hide arsenals in their communities out of distrust towards their neighbors that would almost certainly work against them. And that is in the unlikely event that this would be simply allowed to happen without a fight. Especially where they are in the minority it would seem unwise to undermine their religious work by creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust. You could very well end up destroying centuries of careful missionary work.

Think of Abel Jarek, the martyr of Tronhadar Valley. Would he have carried, let alone have used a gun if you had given him one?

He did not fight, but had more courage than the greatest of warriors. His sacrifice ensured that his people persevered, and his townships survive to this day while the wrong decision could have seen them raised to ashes instead.

Lets not decide for our brothers and sisters what is best for them. Conversion is a slow process, but one that is tried and tested over millennia. And what are we Amarr if not patient?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#17 - 2013-02-20 05:47:00 UTC
Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.

As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?

Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-20 07:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Anabella Rella wrote:
Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.

As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?

Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you.


Since slaves in the Empire have no rights, that would be a breach of local laws. However, from my experience there are no laws prohibiting Republic citizens from owning weapons. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-02-20 07:21:14 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong.


You spelled 'breach' wrong.

Katrina Oniseki

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#20 - 2013-02-20 07:25:09 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong.


You spelled 'breach' wrong.


Zing.
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