EVE General Discussion

Its the natural progression for a noob, Level 1 > level 2 > level 3 > level 4 > faction fit loot pinata > cry on forums when it gets ganked.

I just avoid bubbles by not going to nullsec. Saves a lot of time.

I mission in hi-sec beacause it is easy, safe and more casual.
To move into low or null sec opens up alot of hassle,
1, Some Concord protection is better than none
2, Risk vs Reward not balanced enough
3, Finding a suitible corp/alliance, issues here are many.
4, Logistics of moving ships, ammo. Need people you can trust (see 3)
5, Clones, why would I risk my +5 or Crystal clone
6, Mission bears mostly grind isk to buy shinys, why put these at risk by leaving high?

At the end of the day flying pimped mission ships/impants just wont work in pvp areas, yes it can be done but why should we risk it for little more reward?

If I had to give an honest reply after 4 years of this internet submarine business, it would probably boil down to time for me.

During the crap winter months of MD, I'm usually glued to an LCD for EE school work now instead of Eve. The time I get to fool with spaceships becomes pretty scarce around this time, so being able to nail a few 10mils here and there for pewpew is great.. I did the null thing, and while really fun being with a good pvp group (and well paying), it took up a hell of a lot of time. Then add in that Eve can very easily become a "second job" once you go that deep and you can see why some stick with missions. (Second job being the aforementioned CTAs, instant action VOIP reqs, forum reqs, background checks, etc). Trades are a great alternative if you have a knack for it.

I won't debate at all that some folks just seem to like pewpewing NPCs all day and pimp fitting ships. As we've seen for over 7 years in Eve alone, there will always be folks that want to sit in their little corner. I've got nothing against them, but if they're going to fit 29bil and I happen to be broke that week...well...

I will note that if you're clever, plan well, and have a bit of luck, you can sneak into null with wormholes or logoffski carrier alts. I FAR prefer the second method. Again though you end up having to plan out a chunk of time to glue yourself to the screen (at least the movement of ships to and from.)


On a tangent;
This is why I've been harassing my buddies about the recent ship balancing. Cheap ships are back in the hot seat to a degree, and, IMO, if you marry lack of soul crushing ISK loss and small/mid gang pewpew, you get some serious fun.

Also....whisky fleets. Not much has come close to that for pure, slapstick fun in Eve for me.

I am not sure why nooby or terrible players mission in high sec. Probably one or all the reasons mentioned already. They would be better served by anomalies in blue space.

One thing I do know is that for a high skilled player and I mean lvl5s in everything relevant to his ship plus implants and mission LP skills and high standings to reject undesirable missions, missioning in a 0.5 system for a non derpy corp (navies lol) is simply the highest income from PVE for the time played.

Before you get you knickers all twisted up, this is purely from income point of view. Fun is not a factor in the equation.

I know people will start mentioning wormholes and null exploration and anomaly farming and that's fine but look at it purely from income for the time played. Start counting your scanning for sites and hours of not finding anything into your "isk/hour". Then consider other interruptions like surprise pvp (oh noes), waiting on other people who are more terrible than you but are still needed etc... All high income pve balances out over time somewhere in between 100-150mil per hour. I hate the "isk per hour" thing but it's a good comparison in this case. Lvl 4 are always there...

Not defending anything or condemning, just pointing out another perspective.

Correct me if im wrong but wasent one of your arguments that high sec was so safe that it is "boring"? So i guess you can answear your own question.. Going from your own statment saying that 0.0 is safer then high sec, why do you enjoy being in 0.0?

more like: power leveled to 4 > faction battleship and gear > "I can't fit this Caldari Navy Boost Amp, can I contract my [Navy] Raven to you, so you can fit it for me?"

that's...

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next day... "I lost my ship on a mission..."

"where at? let's get your wreck." [with those faction fittings, my little capsuleer]

twenty minutes later, warp-in. "what's the name of this mission again?" Enemies Abound 5/5, all waves spawned. (problem?)

I've never fallen behind the waves in that one before... align to sHI- GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT YOU LITTLE TROLLNUBLET

"no it's ok, they're not hurting me. .......

.....I lost my drake."

this was two days before retribution, and we speed tanked it in a stiletto. re-enter with the battleships after stiletto has full aggro, and it was like picking off players during a special olympics soccer match.

contracted them an empty drake in exchange for one of the CN cruise launchers that dropped

The reward is in not having to be some megalomaniac nullsec alliance leader's personal butt polisher.

For me it's about me time. I do it with this character when I don't feel like playing in 0.0 and I don't have market orders to update at the time or stuff to haul or I'm not in RvB at the time. Its relaxing Eve time, as opposed to the constant state of awareness I need in 0.0 or the rage I feel when that market bot undercuts me by .01 isk for the 30th time that night just after I update a sell order.

Haha I was trying to make a point at how frustrating that is. But yeah when you update something in my AU tz and its instantly updated to 0.01 isk down from your price, it kinda points to a bot.