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Why is there a measurement system for logistic??

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GalacticViceroy
Farmhouse.
Simple Farmers
#1 - 2013-02-18 18:30:01 UTC
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-02-18 18:31:41 UTC
You need better pilots. We almost never have a shortage of logi pilots.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2013-02-18 18:33:20 UTC
Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-18 18:34:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You need better pilots. We almost never have a shortage of logi pilots.


I would of though more friends would be the answer. I am not sure why better pilots make his shortage of logi go away.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2013-02-18 18:35:00 UTC
My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-02-18 18:58:21 UTC
Stop flying with a bunch of killmail whores and start flying with a bunch of people who know what the hell 'teamwork' really means.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-18 19:05:03 UTC
Your fleets consist of Terrible players then? Your Pilots suck, fly with better players instead of KM Whores.
Merouk Baas
#8 - 2013-02-18 19:15:17 UTC
No, he's saying he wants healing meters. He already has DPS meters via the killboards (he can tell who did the most DPS), but killboards don't support healing meters, and he'd like to see which of the logi pilots actually repair damage and which don't do squat.

To the OP, as if bringing an expensive logi ship to your sucky fleet is any joy. Also, when is the last time you said "thank you" to them, or "good job logis."
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2013-02-18 19:45:01 UTC
GalacticViceroy wrote:
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.


There is. The one that wins the battle is the one with the best logi pilots. That's all the metric you need.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#10 - 2013-02-18 19:51:02 UTC
It depends where you're coming from.

If you're talking incursions, I can't see (apart from the lack of training) the resistance in flying logis, it's the cheapest way to get into a fleet, and doesn't cost you ammo while you're in it for the same reward as a guy firing T2 ammo.

If you're talking PvP fights, then maybe logis get frustrated by late broadcasts, being quick to die, and because they don't bring any fire to the firefight, being under appreciated.

I've flown logi a few times, I've got a logi char that can do armor, shield, and can fly all 4 races so it gives the best choice depending on what the flavour of the month is.

But don't forget, a lot of PvP'ers are killmail whores, so they've got no interest in spending ages training up something that won't get them on the mail.

Plus, if you're flying a combat ship it's quite acceptable to fly it without max skills, but most logi fits are so tightly worked that you need to have a lot of level 5 skills to get them to work.

4runner
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-18 20:10:05 UTC
When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#12 - 2013-02-18 20:16:22 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with.



... what you mean by this is that every pilot in your alliance has 2 neutral logistics alts. its not the same thing.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-18 22:24:26 UTC
In every game ever most people want to to be a DPS and not a healer/tank.

What I think they should do it make logi apear on killmail of any ship they have repped.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-18 22:27:05 UTC
GalacticViceroy wrote:
if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.



Wrong forum. I believe you meant to post here: http://www.engrish.com/
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-19 00:15:16 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Wrong forum. I believe you meant to post here: http://www.engrish.com/


He's speaking to us in our language because we're too stupid to understand him in his. So, you make a comment implying the deficiency is his. That no make-uh sense . . . in any language.

To the original point, there is no way to measure all the things that go into a kill (or a failure to get a kill). You'd have to measure how many jams were successful, how much energy was neutralized, what level of efficiency each module in the fight was being used at, whether some dude in a Machariel was bumping one of the combatants, etc., etc., etc. A simpler solution would be to remove the "damage done" and "final blow" metrics from killmails and just list the parties involved. It's all about teamwork, after all. Am I right?
Hixeppa
Shamrock Corp.
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#16 - 2013-02-19 00:21:53 UTC
Logis = alts ships.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-02-19 00:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
year 1: perfect core skills, perfect basilisk pilot. next four months: cross train into perfect racial logis.

landing reps before someone asks for it, especially when they're not used to having reps feels kinda good.

on comms,"oh yeah... rain is here."

yeah baby

4runner wrote:
When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at


I replace losses when I drop the ball on logi. most recently I contracted a worm from my orca to replace a hawk loss to gate guns. totally my fault. FC told me to have everyone locked up, and I forgot.

you fight differently with logi [me] there. it's part of that responsibility. and my pride

I was correct in my assumption that training logi would get me plugged in with some great pilots. It's better to have logi, than not.

I also enjoy the anonymity of not showing up on killmails. discovering a lack of a combat record for a logi pilot is more unsettling the older the character is.

if "all that logi" isn't needed, i swap out for a ceptor or dictor or hictor. those youtube videos where they discover they only have one hictor on site... is a shame, a crying shame. hold point til you die, pilot. gg
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#18 - 2013-02-19 01:43:57 UTC
GalacticViceroy wrote:
to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone.


So find pilots to fly logistics for you who love playing healers in other games and aren't slaves to their K/D ratio.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-19 01:55:55 UTC
True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-02-19 02:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Mara Rinn wrote:

So find pilots to fly logistics for you who love playing healers in other games and aren't slaves to their K/D ratio.

other games Big smile i was a medic in the Army. a l337 one. expert shot, perfect PT score. I was in the shower just now, and thinking it might require the psychology of a selfless and aggressive person to make a good logi. ...it makes a good Soldier

I was the medic on my battalion commander's personal security platoon. A Lt Colonel and Ranger... 1st Cav... so in my imagination the situation was not unlike Mel Gibson's character in We Were Soldiers.

My rifle jammed one time and he took it from me to fix it, and called me "junior varsity." it never felt so good to be called a name. lol. I would've been quick about it, too, but he assumed he would be better at it, as a strong leader would. Big smile anyway.

my father is also a Colonel and they met when I earned that Expert Field Medical Badge, so maybe I was a little too comfortable around him. a few people reminded me "the CO is not your dad." I guess it made them a little uneasy that I was so relaxed and really just happy to be there, a respectable man in his twenties...

i DIGRESS. GOOD TIMES
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