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Hurricane and the latest patch.
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Kringol Todako
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-18 23:27:33 UTC
I have a pure minmatar specced pvp pilot, with the latest changes to the hurricane and the oversized armored bus called the cyclone, is it even worth for me to train up to BC's or should i just go straight for battleships?
Kate stark
#2 - 2013-02-18 23:30:44 UTC
why don't you look at the new stats, figure out if the ships do what you want them to do, and then plan your skill queue accordingly?

or would all that thinking give you a headache?

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-18 23:39:06 UTC
God forbid you fly a balanced ship right?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#4 - 2013-02-18 23:40:38 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
God forbid you fly a balanced ship right?


There's no balanced ship. In fact people switched to now more powerful ones exactly because they are "more" now. It's the min max overlords at work.

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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#5 - 2013-02-18 23:50:16 UTC
Being a pure specced Minmatar pilot serves no purpose to be honest.
Future toon resale value? Pointless playing the game a certain way for future toon value.
Roleplay? If you peops you play with think it is wrong to cross train then, screw them.

Goodbye Hurricane, Hello Brutix!

Just crosstrain, you need the gallente ship skills to fly Angel ships anyway and a skilles Minmatar toon with T2 guns ect ect is boreing without being able to fly Angel tbh.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-02-18 23:52:42 UTC
HAM Cyclone is GO!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-18 23:54:14 UTC
Tornados are beautiful. Also the mini sleipnir is very effective when used appropriately. Big smile
Kringol Todako
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-18 23:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kringol Todako
Clara Stewart wrote:
Being a pure specced Minmatar pilot serves no purpose to be honest.
Future toon resale value? Pointless playing the game a certain way for future toon value.
Roleplay? If you peops you play with think it is wrong to cross train then, screw them.

Goodbye Hurricane, Hello Brutix!

Just crosstrain, you need the gallente ship skills to fly Angel ships anyway and a skilles Minmatar toon with T2 guns ect ect is boreing without being able to fly Angel tbh.


The reason i dont crosstrain now is because it simply takes too much time, in my opinion, just to fly a few more ships.
You need the gunnery skills for it, the spaceship skills and so on, if i had for instance a sub-cap minmatar pilot then yes i would crosstrain but for now i deem it useless.

Edit: i have flown gallente bc's and battleships but they all suck in my opinion.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2013-02-19 00:00:28 UTC
Obvious Cyno wrote:
Tornados are beautiful. Also the mini sleipnir is very effective when used appropriately. Big smile


Hello Mr. Tornado. Meet my Taranis.
Skorpynekomimi
#10 - 2013-02-19 00:12:22 UTC
Kringol Todako wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
Being a pure specced Minmatar pilot serves no purpose to be honest.
Future toon resale value? Pointless playing the game a certain way for future toon value.
Roleplay? If you peeps you play with think it is wrong to cross train then, screw them.

Goodbye Hurricane, Hello Brutix!

Just crosstrain. You need the gallente ship skills to fly Angel ships anyway, and a skilless Minmatar toon with T2 guns etc etc is boring without being able to fly Angel, tbh.


The reason I don't crosstrain now is because it simply takes too much time, in my opinion, just to fly a few more ships.
You need the gunnery skills for it, the spaceship skills and so on, if I had, for instance a sub-cap minmatar pilot then yes, I would crosstrain, but for now I deem it useless.

Edit: i have flown gallente bc's and battleships but they all suck in my opinion.


Maybe if you were training purely for ONE TYPE of minmatar ship, that would be valid. However, to squeeze the most out of the race, you need to train missiles, guns, and drones, as well as armour and shield tanking.
Gunnery skills and support skills apply to ALL turrets, not just projectile. Sure, you need to train up hybrid and energy turret skills and the specialisations, but that's not a huge impact.
Ship-boarding skills are also fast and cheap, and make you much more useful.

(Also, corrected both your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. For shame.)

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Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#11 - 2013-02-19 00:13:21 UTC
I sometimes do not understand Minmatar pilots:

The Hurricane has lost no turret slots, unlike most other BCs, but you moan about it?


Look what has been done to the Prophecy, if that was your faction ship, you`d have good reason to moanRoll
Kringol Todako
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-02-19 00:16:13 UTC
Amber Solaire wrote:
I sometimes do not understand Minmatar pilots:

The Hurricane has lost no turret slots, unlike most other BCs, but you moan about it?


Look what has been done to the Prophecy, if that was your faction ship, you`d have good reason to moanRoll


Why should i moan about ships i'm not even training for?
Kate stark
#13 - 2013-02-19 00:17:03 UTC
Amber Solaire wrote:
I sometimes do not understand Minmatar pilots:

The Hurricane has lost no turret slots, unlike most other BCs, but you moan about it?


Look what has been done to the Prophecy, if that was your faction ship, you`d have good reason to moanRoll


the prophecy has been made awesome, how can you possibly complain about it?

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-19 00:23:12 UTC
Kringol Todako wrote:
I have a pure minmatar specced pvp pilot, with the latest changes to the hurricane and the oversized armored bus called the cyclone, is it even worth for me to train up to BC's or should i just go straight for battleships?



Hurricane lost 1 medium energy neutralizer...OMAGAAAD INDEED WHAT A FKING CHANGE !!

Seriously?

Then take a look at the new HAM cyclone if you really stick with those 2 neuts, this thing is going to make more than one cry about minmatar.

Brutix? -yes got better, balanced? -no but go ahead and train for it, Astarte is looking really sexy these days, as much as my XL ASB Sleipnir. (can fly both so no big deal)

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-19 00:31:46 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Kringol Todako wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
Being a pure specced Minmatar pilot serves no purpose to be honest.
Future toon resale value? Pointless playing the game a certain way for future toon value.
Roleplay? If you peeps you play with think it is wrong to cross train then, screw them.

Goodbye Hurricane, Hello Brutix!

Just crosstrain. You need the gallente ship skills to fly Angel ships anyway, and a skilless Minmatar toon with T2 guns etc etc is boring without being able to fly Angel, tbh.


The reason I don't crosstrain now is because it simply takes too much time, in my opinion, just to fly a few more ships.
You need the gunnery skills for it, the spaceship skills and so on, if I had, for instance a sub-cap minmatar pilot then yes, I would crosstrain, but for now I deem it useless.

Edit: i have flown gallente bc's and battleships but they all suck in my opinion.


Maybe if you were training purely for ONE TYPE of minmatar ship, that would be valid. However, to squeeze the most out of the race, you need to train missiles, guns, and drones, as well as armour and shield tanking.
Gunnery skills and support skills apply to ALL turrets, not just projectile. Sure, you need to train up hybrid and energy turret skills and the specialisations, but that's not a huge impact.
Ship-boarding skills are also fast and cheap, and make you much more useful.

(Also, corrected both your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. For shame.)


I'm a Minmatar pilot I haven't trained any missile skills. I trained Minmatar for Projectiles not Missiles.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-02-19 00:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Klymer
Dude, I been tearing up level 3's on the test server with this.

[Hurricane, Singularity - 650 Artillery Hurricane]

Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Warrior I x5




I don't see what people are complaining about....

/edit - whoops forgot mah drones
Kringol Todako
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-19 00:36:59 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Dude, I been tearing up level 3's on the test server with this.

[Hurricane, Singularity - 650 Artillery Hurricane]

Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Warrior I x5




I don't see what people are complaining about....

/edit - whoops forgot mah drones


I would test it on the test server, if i could, but i'm still waiting on the skills.
Google Voices
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-19 03:05:31 UTC
Since you would be throwing away an 6.2 mil free skill points if you don't train BC to 5, and assorted required subs to 3 or 4, I have no idea why anyone wouldn't train it...

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Kringol Todako
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-19 04:03:37 UTC
Google Voices wrote:
Since you would be throwing away an 6.2 mil free skill points if you don't train BC to 5, and assorted required subs to 3 or 4, I have no idea why anyone wouldn't train it...


Getting an extra 6.2 mill sp is useless unless it unallocated sp since you can't do more damage or whatever.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#20 - 2013-02-19 05:03:12 UTC
Amber Solaire wrote:
I sometimes do not understand Minmatar pilots:

The Hurricane has lost no turret slots, unlike most other BCs, but you moan about it?


Look what has been done to the Prophecy, if that was your faction ship, you`d have good reason to moanRoll

Why would anyone moan about the Prophecy being made useful?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
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