Crime & Punishment

IVE never done it, and all I have for suggestions are ones I read on the Goonswarm Shrugged thread.
Reading The Apostle's 500th "qq suicide ganker thread", and stealing the idea from someone's post, I figured Id make a thread. Figured people could swap tips on how to do it lol
Yes, I get this will let the gank-ee in on it but theres only so much they can do thatll help them and as even the Apostle said "theyre lazy" lol

Im giving credit where credit is due: All by Mittani from another forum
"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.

2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.

3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.

4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.

5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.

6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.

7)**** up local something fierce."

"These are your standbys:
GUNS: Thorax, Brutix, Rupture, Hurricane, Dominix

In general, a thorax with good skills will kill a mack anywhere, provided you don't **** up. The brutix is for that odd hulk that insists on not getting out, while the dominix is for those especially stubborn hulks that try to fit a fuckoff tank and live. Don't let them live. The general way you fit these is simple: the lows are damage mods, the highs are guns, filled with a few rounds of faction ammo. Depending on your budget and market availability, you can use t1, meta 2-3, or t2. I recommend t2 damage mods: they're cheap, and they add a ton of oomph. Meta 2-3 will probably be non-existent: a few days of refining tactics has cleared out most of EVE of the necessary mods, so it's unlikely they'll survive a full goonrush. The mids should be a mix of the following: web, scram (keep them in place on the off chance this isn't a bot), target painter (hulks and macks have small sigs) and/or tracking computers.

ALPHA: Tempest

Ask Weaselior about this. If you're rich and lazy, a Tempest can alpha a mackinaw easily, so you don't really care if CONCORD is in the belt with you or not. Only recommended for jews with ISK to blow on an unnecessarily expensive hull. (Or for a team-gank of an Orca, but there are better ways to accomplish that.)

Weaselior's Galtpest:
In essence: highs gallium cannons, republic fleet emp
mids: sensor boosters, tracking computers, a warp disruptor (t2 preferably) and a passive targeter.
lows: gyrostabs

Tends to do 7-9k alpha with decent skills and implants. This is enough for almost all mackinaws, but not most hulks. Plan accordingly.

In .6 and .5 systems you may get a second shot off: this means you should lock two mackinaws at once, blow one out of the sky, then start mashing f1 again to try to get shot #2 off. I've never actually pulled this off: one time I got concorded, the other the second guy warped off in time. To avoid this you should fit a warp disruptor and scram the second guy after you fire your first shot. Since this is artillery, come in at ~20km rather than at zero like with blaster ships.

SMARTBOMBS: Typhoon, Armageddon

Aryth's favorite is the 8-smartbomb battleship, combined with implants and cap boosters (to overcome CONCORD neuting) that can take out every Mackinaw in a 5km radius. These won't be that useful within a few days once the packs of Macks have fled to Caldari space, but by god it is fun to kill 5 Macks at a time."

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OUTLAW LIFE - THE PARTY IS NOT OVER WHEN YOU HIT -5
People think that once you're -5 (or -3.5 or whatever) you need to stop ganking and rebuild your sec status. This is not the case. All you need to do is change your MO slightly and you can continue to gank away forever. This is actually one of the most fun parts of ganking, as you throw brutix after brutix at miners and just don't give a ****.

The guide:
Most people think you're done ganking once your sec status gets too low. This is not the case.

When you hit -5 (actually anywhere from -3.5 to -4.5 depending on what system you're in), things do change. About 6 seconds after you enter any grid when you are in a ship, faction police warp in to start shooting you. This includes when you're in a POS: faction police shoot through shields, just like CONCORD. This means you can no longer idle in space waiting to line up your gank. It doesn't mean you can't gank though: once you get the hang of it it's almost as easy (and more exciting: got to run from the po-po) than standard ganking.


Important things to keep in mind with the police:
1)Police jam. Weakly (5 strength) but it's there. If you get jammed during a gank, you flubbed it: fit and overheat appropriate ECCM IIs. However they're not like CONCORD: when they're on the field the gank is not over.
2)Police web, then scram. This means if they land on grid while you're aligning for warp, don't panic. However, this means you better have already started warp.
3)Police get there sooner than CONCORD. This means you need to fit a tank: you have to survive the police until CONCORD gets there. This means fit a DCII at a minimum.

The basic procedure for ganking while -5 is this:

First, you don't have the margin for error you usually do. You need a tank, and you can't set up your gank perfectly. That means you need some overkill: use a brutix instead of a thorax.

To begin, fit and insure the ship in station with your ganker. Then, TRADE (not contract: contracting voids insurance) the ship to an alt. This alt needs to either fly an Orca or be able to online all of the modules (at once - if your fit is tight on PG giving it to your alt may offline a gun). This alt flies the ship out to the pos, where it loads it into the SMA or leaves it floating in space. Undock your ganker in a pod, warp to the ship. DO NOT BOARD IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A GANK LINED UP.

Line up your gank as usual: find an oblivious mackinaw and sit next to it.

Now, board your ship and mash warp: this needs to be the FIRST thing you do. While in warp, set up your guns, tp, scram on the top row. Activate your sensor booster, overheat and activate your ECCM (just overheat both top and mid rows entirely) and then prime your guns/tp/scram. The instant you land, start locking and hit stop, launch drones. As soon as you lock, fire, then tell your drones to agress. If you're in a brutix, like you should be, you should crush them, as long as you don't get jammed (12% chance with an overheated ECCM II).

If you have an ECCM you'll still get jammed 12% of the time, nothing you can do about it (besides getting more ECCM or implants).

Also note: you're a pirate, people can pod you. They may: don't stick around after a gank. Your implants are worth more than the loot: tell your ganker to dock first then switch to your alt and scoop the loot. One idea we've batted around is set your atutopilot to one system over: when concord shows up, turn it on. Your pod should warp out as soon as your ship dies.

The best ship for -5 ganking is Mittani's Ragebrutix:
Highs: Anode neutrons/neutron IIs x7
Mids: 1 target painter, 1 warp disruptor, 2 ECCM II
Lows: 4x magstabs, 1x DCII.

This gives you a 6% chance of being jammed, and the DCII lets you finish a gank even when the faction police show up instantly.


Mittani's hard-won lessons from being -5 and getting chased around all day by the faction po-po
1. Don't **** around with Thoraxes below -5. The po-po can kill you before you get your shots off, even with a dcII. Using a Brutix (with a DCII) you can mostly ignore them.

2. Always have combat logging enabled and open during ganks so you can diagnose what went wrong - and something ~will~ go wrong as you adjust to the police.

3. Use a sensor booster with a locktime script on your brutix. You need to lock and fire on a barge quickly due to the police. This wasn't necessary before piracy.

4. Barge-only overview setting for your pirate. The less **** to misclick on during a gank attempt, the fewer flubbed ganks.

5. Some kind of Concord-clearing method - either hop into a stored velator from the GSF pos's SMA while you have a countdown aggro (very pro trick, thanks Kismeteer!) or have a throwaway alt in a velator zot an anchored GSC in one of the belts. Nothing is as frustrating as Concord guarding faggots in belts.

6. It doesn't matter much if the faction police are already in your target belt. They'll instawarp to you and begin shooting you, but you mostly don't care because you're in a Brutix now.

7. It's always better to spend the isk on t2 damage modules than deal with the shame of a flubbed gank because you tried to save a few million isk.

8. Before piracy, I would lazily launch my drones before trying to lock prey. This is verrrry bad as a pirate, as seconds count. Activate ******* everything while in warp. While spamming lock and approach, launch your drones, click the concord butan, and mash your drone engage hotkey (you DO have a drone engage hotkey right? go make one). as a brutix most of your dps comes from blaster facefucking so drones are helpful but not key like with a thorax

9. drones engage hotkey ************"

Go to town ppl who wanted to gank but never knew how.

Also; add advice and suggestions. I may decide to go onto doing this myself lol



lol like I said, never done it before, and really dont know anything about it. Thats WHY I made this thread.

HA!!! Thats funny, apparently my corpmates dont have a sense of humor on this. I just got kicked from my corp lol

Peh, keeping secrets only lessens the number of people that can do it. I say share the knowledge

I am amused by this. Although I've read this guide before at it's source, posting it here is a great idea, if only to **** Apostle off ^o^

I think the Goons have the gallente Macks covered though, so go gank in Caldari space or something.

Best one shot ship in the game: 1400mm arty Apocalypse

8x 1400 Howitzer II
4x heat sink II
2x RCU I
sebos

land at 20km, lock and pew. This ship has the highest alpha in the game. If you are -5 or below you can get into warp before da po-po arrives if you fit istabs in the lows. This ship has the advantage of being able to down a hulk despite CONCORD being in the belt. As long as you dont have GCC you are good to go.

For a cheaper version, the similarly fitted geddon will take down a Mackinaw.

So go kill a freighter at Jita 4-4 on this char. I'll pay you 250m for the killmail.

OP, you forgot to add that you need several hundred millions of free cash to support said ganking habit.

To help out, I'm offering 100m for every Hulk taken out in Caldari space - up to 20 of them. (max. 2 billion).

Send kb link to my mail - must be API verified prior to payment. Payment goes to FORUM char making the claim. FORUM char must be on killmail. Link MUST also be made here.

Go on. Shoot up or shut up.

No. Do it. Otherwise it's all **** and wind.

You've posted all the advice you need. Read it and go earn some cash cowboy.

I'm not trolling now and I also post very deliberately (expecting trolls) because I won't sit on the "cool guy" fence mouthing off. That's why I am a target. If it was problem I wouldn't post. I could just as easily use an alt and join "the cool guy club".

Regardless, I'm providing you with some incentive to make your wishes come true. If it's all a game then there's no harm in trying is there?

that's a beautiful combination