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Dev blog: Fleet interface and other improvements in Retribution 1.1

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Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-02-18 18:45:50 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Alice Katsuko wrote:
It doesn't go against privacy or fog of war principles. A player should give up a certain amount of privacy by joining a fleet, and in this case the loss isn't substantial and is fully voluntary. If a player doesn't want the fleet boss to know what he is flying, he should not be in fleet in the first place.
Part of privacy is knowing when you give up privacy and what you give away.


So put up a pop-up window: "The fleet commander will be able to see your ship type, location, and leadership skills." Although I doubt you'll find a single pilot who regularly joins fleet who cares about the fleet commander knowing where he is and what he's flying. It really sounds like you're following a design document for the sake of following a design document.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-02-18 18:45:52 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Alice Katsuko wrote:
It doesn't go against privacy or fog of war principles. A player should give up a certain amount of privacy by joining a fleet, and in this case the loss isn't substantial and is fully voluntary. If a player doesn't want the fleet boss to know what he is flying, he should not be in fleet in the first place.
Part of privacy is knowing when you give up privacy and what you give away.


Then maybe just make it clearer in the fleet invite window.

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Sturmwolke
#63 - 2013-02-18 18:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
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I'd look into having an icon or colored bar to denote a player who DOES NOT QUALIFY (i.e. they lack the Leadership 5 pre-req for example) in any of the Squad Leader, WC, FC etc. position**.
Generally, this causes A LOT OF CONFUSION as people check and re-check fleet bonuses.

** Edit: To clarify, checks only need to be done for Squad Leader, WC, FC etc slots. So if someone with Leadership 4 moves into the Squad Leader slot, the slot background turns red for example.
This will make it a cinch when sorting out a free-move fleet when not everyone's familiar with the fleet structure requirements.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#64 - 2013-02-18 19:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Grideris wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Grideris wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.
There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.
That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow What? Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.


Please don't remove it!.


Remove it & I'll start a congo line around the Jita monument & hunt you down every CCP X-MASS DEV roam Lol

I luv this addition it should help tremendously in preventing unneeded GM petitions:
Fleet you Fools blog wrote:

Logs in the Notifications and Log window are not cleared anymore on session change, so you can try to figure out what the hell happened when you got podded without having to find the log file for the fight

In Incursions we've had a spat of Concordockens lately because of null peeps fleeting without turning on the green trigger... does the Green/Yellow/Red saftey trigger show up in any logs? Still we did have 1 incident where a soley HI SEC pilot got Concorded & swore he had the Green trigger on, he had kill rights on him though from a logi in fleet...
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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2013-02-18 19:04:46 UTC
Best addition to Eve since space ships.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#66 - 2013-02-18 19:09:02 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
I want to do the mass move thingy, but it's going to be a lot more work, so we'll see what happens Smile

Well, what is gonna happen when you mass-drag characters as per tomorrows patch?
Will the fleet window simply reject it, like the Search in People&Places?

I noticed, right now, you can multi-drag people into formatted text fields as links, into chat channels to invite them and into EveMail address fields.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#67 - 2013-02-18 19:14:58 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
I want to do the mass move thingy, but it's going to be a lot more work, so we'll see what happens Smile

Well, what is gonna happen when you mass-drag characters as per tomorrows patch?
Will the fleet window simply reject it, like the Search in People&Places?

I noticed, right now, you can multi-drag people into formatted text fields as links, into chat channels to invite them and into EveMail address fields.

it will just take the first character in the list and add him/her

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Noriko Mai
#68 - 2013-02-18 19:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke? If it's true, it's woth a devblog for itself!!!11

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#69 - 2013-02-18 19:17:47 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke or something?

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-02-18 19:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Nice!! It indeed needed love! good job!

can you revam pos now? or at last fix the way hangars are used in it? it is a pain... make all buildings share the same hangar on it... (increasing space)....

the fan fest is comming and we still dont have a big part of what was promissed... where is the ring minning!?

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Tara Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
#71 - 2013-02-18 19:22:18 UTC
so... did you fix error with wing commander not getting bonuses from fleet commander?
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#72 - 2013-02-18 19:26:28 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Sephira Galamore wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
I want to do the mass move thingy, but it's going to be a lot more work, so we'll see what happens Smile

Well, what is gonna happen when you mass-drag characters as per tomorrows patch?
Will the fleet window simply reject it, like the Search in People&Places?

I noticed, right now, you can multi-drag people into formatted text fields as links, into chat channels to invite them and into EveMail address fields.

it will just take the first character in the list and add him/her


I know you can make it work for multi-drag aswell! I just know!
:nods reassuringly:
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#73 - 2013-02-18 19:31:09 UTC
Tara Tyrael wrote:
so... did you fix error with wing commander not getting bonuses from fleet commander?


That hasn't been fixed in 1.1.

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Tara Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
#74 - 2013-02-18 19:36:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Tara Tyrael wrote:
so... did you fix error with wing commander not getting bonuses from fleet commander?


That hasn't been fixed in 1.1.


Any ETA when it will be fixed, its been broken for 3 months or more now
Hong Hu
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#75 - 2013-02-18 19:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hong Hu
Great changes. Thank you. Something not addressed, what about creating "roles" in fleet? Specifically, the ability to fleet warp. At present only the FC has that ability. So if a cloaky scans down a target that player has to be in the FC position for the whole fleet to be warped. This might result in a Fleet Booster having to be moved out of position to enable the functionality for the cloaky. If a particular player in another position could be assigned that role/abilility that would be nice. Less disruption to boosting and hierarchy.

Thank you for what you have done so far.

Hong Hu
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#76 - 2013-02-18 19:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tara Tyrael wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Tara Tyrael wrote:
so... did you fix error with wing commander not getting bonuses from fleet commander?


That hasn't been fixed in 1.1.


Any ETA when it will be fixed, its been broken for 3 months or more now


Try 3 years now.
I hope CCP delays any requirement of boosters having to be ongrid until this is fixed.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#77 - 2013-02-18 19:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP karkur wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke or something?

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted



I missed the above part in theDEV blog.
So now we'll be able to see crystals damage while docked w/o putting them in a contract \o/
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#78 - 2013-02-18 20:03:41 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke or something?

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted

reduces the crystal management pain by 50%, but it still hurts!

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#79 - 2013-02-18 20:22:22 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke or something?

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted

reduces the crystal management pain by 50%, but it still hurts!

that was actually possible before... by doing show info on the crystal, then you would have the damage in the attributes tab

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#80 - 2013-02-18 20:36:01 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Quote:
This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke? If it's true, it's woth a devblog for itself!!!11

Huh? Where is this?

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