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Dev blog: Fleet interface and other improvements in Retribution 1.1

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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#41 - 2013-02-18 17:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: BeanBagKing
CCP karkur wrote:


And I actually like the "save fleet setup" idea Smile

\o/ CCP karkur likes it! Teh Impliment pretty please? Big smile
Dr Ogres
Tasty Beverage
#42 - 2013-02-18 18:02:46 UTC
dear CCP karkur,

I love you. please father my children.

Thanks,
Dr Ogres
Serina Tsukaya
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#43 - 2013-02-18 18:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Serina Tsukaya
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.



Yet isn't it possible to see what skills they have through the unit comp window? More spesifically: what level of fleet command, wing command, and leadership?
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-02-18 18:04:47 UTC
Fantastic changes!
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-18 18:05:36 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.


There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.

Dev Blog wrote:
I think it would be super cool if it was possible to mass-move members, for example to select and drag all the logistic pilots in the fleet composition window and drop them in a squad, but that improvement will have to wait for now.


If you do this, I will be happy forever. Literally. Though then again, these changes are already going to make me happy forever. Literally.

Another thing that would make me super happy is if the fleet composition window showed which squad/wing a member is in. Even better would be a "jump to" option that would move the window to that member and highlight them (as if you had selected them).

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#46 - 2013-02-18 18:12:14 UTC
So my question is will the fleet window freeze when you are dragging people? Or otherwise prevent a situation where third party actions in the fleet (such as joining it, or moving squads) won't move the list from under you and end up dropping a random person into wing command etc.

For example, if you have Wing 1 + 2 and you're trying to drop someone into Squad commander of Wing 2, but someone in Wing 1 jumps into a squad, everything in the list moves down one, and your cursor is now over the Wing commander position instead.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#47 - 2013-02-18 18:14:55 UTC
These changes are so fantastic they show fantastic what it means to be fantastic.

-Liang

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2013-02-18 18:17:09 UTC
Dr Ogres wrote:
dear CCP karkur,

I love you. please father my children.

Thanks,
Dr Ogres

Lol don't like your kids anymore, trying to rid of them?

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2013-02-18 18:18:27 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
So my question is will the fleet window freeze when you are dragging people? Or otherwise prevent a situation where third party actions in the fleet (such as joining it, or moving squads) won't move the list from under you and end up dropping a random person into wing command etc.

For example, if you have Wing 1 + 2 and you're trying to drop someone into Squad commander of Wing 2, but someone in Wing 1 jumps into a squad, everything in the list moves down one, and your cursor is now over the Wing commander position instead.

No, it does not freeze, but it should not scroll all the way back up like it did in some cases before.
If this does become a problem, we'll deal with it Smile

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2013-02-18 18:23:18 UTC
Grideris wrote:
. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.

It does work from the fleet comp window Smile
Grideris wrote:
.
Dev Blog wrote:
I think it would be super cool if it was possible to mass-move members, for example to select and drag all the logistic pilots in the fleet composition window and drop them in a squad, but that improvement will have to wait for now.


If you do this, I will be happy forever. Literally. Though then again, these changes are already going to make me happy forever. Literally.

Another thing that would make me super happy is if the fleet composition window showed which squad/wing a member is in. Even better would be a "jump to" option that would move the window to that member and highlight them (as if you had selected them).

I want to do the mass move thingy, but it's going to be a lot more work, so we'll see what happens Smile

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2013-02-18 18:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
Grideris wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.
There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.
The what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of privacy we follow What? Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#52 - 2013-02-18 18:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.



Excuse me but the Fleet option for "Show composition" already does show skills (leadership/wing/fleet) so you are incorrect.

CCP karkur wrote:
theDisto wrote:
While you are working on the fleet interface, are there any plans to make the whole hierarchy tree selectable and therefore copyable into external applications? Currently you can only copy a single line at a time unlike directional scan and various other windows.

Also do you plan on fixing the forever bug of wing commanders not receiving the boosts from the FC position. (only passes them, doesn't get them himself)

I realize the former is probably easier to fix then the latter.

The first one should be fairly easy, let's see what I can do with that.
The second one I don't really know enough about to comment on that.


The second one has been bug reported for years now. Gotten to the point I'm told that when its reported the answer is we know about it & the bug report just gets closed with nothing else.
I hope it gets fixed before on grid requirement gets enforced for boosters I doubt expensive booster pilots will put thier expensive ships ongrid without them.

There is a kludge where you can revoke the wing commanders boosts & give them to a squad member but it is VERY buggy & sometimes just does not work.
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Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-02-18 18:34:50 UTC
This is awesome. Please consider these improvements as well, if the team has time on its schedule:

(1) Drag and drop from the Fleet Composition window.

(2) For Align/Jump/Warp broadcasts, please put the name of the broadcaster at the end of the broadcast, not the beginning. 99% of players don't care who those broadcast came from; they want to know what the broadcast is. This is my fleet window; the system names get cut off every time unless I expand it, which is not all that attractive an option because this is what I see in a fleet. The pilot name should remain at the front for most other broadcasts where it's important, however.

(3) Designating a backup fleet boss if the current fleet boss disconnects, so that control of the fleet doesn't get assigned to a random fleet member due to connection, client or server issues.

(4) Designating a starter squad and wing, so joining pilots aren't dumped into the fourth squad of the third wing for no apparent reason.

(5) Make the fleet boosters give bonuses even when they're not in a command position, without players having to do weird things with session change timers. Currently, a fleet booster has to also be in his appropriate command position to provide boosts (i.e. a wing booster also has to be a wing commander). Otherwise he doesn't pass on boosts.

(6) Titan bridges break if the player trying to take a bridge undergoes a session change while the bridge is up, for example by docking/undocking. It's been a known bug for years.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#54 - 2013-02-18 18:37:09 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow What? Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.


Fleet Composition window. Shows a number for Fleet-Wing-Squad leadership ability. Could actually do with being improved upon as the other person said as knowing who is actually able to pass down bonuses is a nightmare.

On another note, considering we will soon have the ability to invite to positions, can we please have squad / wing level fleet adverts?

I don't mean to say they have to be individually registered, but if an existing fleet advert existed we could drag a wing or squad into chat and it appear as "Fleet Advert Name - Wing 1" and clicking it would attempt to join you to that wing, or likewise if you were already in the fleet it would move you to the first available slot in that particular wing.

I've been in many fleets where it's a nightmare trying to get the Logis in one wing, heavy DPS in another, tackle in another. Throwing a few wing level fleet adverts into chat would be fantastic.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-02-18 18:41:35 UTC
Oh karkur, never change. Keep on being quietly awesome. Blink

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Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-02-18 18:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alice Katsuko
CCP Explorer wrote:
Grideris wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.
There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.
That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow What? Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.


Most fleet commanders don't know about that window either. It shows a fleet member's location and ship type if undocked, and his Leadership, Wing Command, and Fleet Command levels.

It doesn't go against privacy or fog of war principles. A player should give up a certain amount of privacy by joining a fleet, and in this case the loss isn't substantial and is fully voluntary. If a player doesn't want the fleet boss to know what he is flying, he should not be in fleet in the first place.

At the same time, it is of considerable help to (knowledgeable) fleet commanders in running a fleet.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-02-18 18:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
CCP Explorer wrote:
Grideris wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.
There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.
That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow What? Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.


Please don't remove it! It is immensely useful as an FC to see who has the skills to fit into each position. I guess if you really are pedantic about making it that players must explicitly allow people to see their skills, make it an option you can turn off. However, making it default to "off" will make a lot of FCs cry.

I guess in some ways you do get explicit permission; by agreeing to join the fleet, you agree to show any superiors in fleet your leadership/wing command/fleet command skills.

CCP karkur wrote:
Grideris wrote:
. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.

It does work from the fleet comp window Smile


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Atomic Option
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#58 - 2013-02-18 18:42:41 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are in general not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

Edit: Correction regarding the fleet composition window here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2632802#post2632802


There's an exception to this in making your certificates public (doesn't tell exact skills but implys the minimums for the cert). Could that functionality be based off of public leadership certificates?
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#59 - 2013-02-18 18:43:15 UTC
Alice Katsuko wrote:
It doesn't go against privacy or fog of war principles. A player should give up a certain amount of privacy by joining a fleet, and in this case the loss isn't substantial and is fully voluntary. If a player doesn't want the fleet boss to know what he is flying, he should not be in fleet in the first place.
Part of privacy is knowing when you give up privacy and what you give away.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#60 - 2013-02-18 18:45:25 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.
You are in general not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

Edit: Correction regarding the fleet composition window here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2632802#post2632802
There's an exception to this in making your certificates public (doesn't tell exact skills but implys the minimums for the cert). Could that functionality be based off of public leadership certificates?
That's not an exception; I mentioned an EVE API key as an example ("such as by them giving you an EVE API key") and the certificate system (and medals) is another example where you decide to make the information available.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer