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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#61 - 2013-02-16 19:22:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
I inspire to be as witty as you one day Andreus. Maybe one day....

You might try working that massive stick out of your behind.


Proper pose in public requires it, otherwise I might be beating a few people over the head with it instead. I usually have no need for it private though other than for pinatas.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#62 - 2013-02-17 13:10:23 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I thought genocide generally implies eradicating whole populations. How can someone reclaim someone else by killing him ? Isn't that something closer to what the EoM believe in usually ?

CONCORD's definition of genocide is "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

While the Empire admittedly only attempted the physical destruction of one Minmatar tribe out of seven (and, until recently, had apparently succeeded in this endeavour), it did attempt the destruction of Minmatar culture and religion and the replacement of same with its own. Regretably, it did manage to destroy a great deal of the physical and oral histories of the various tribes.


Oh, you mean a cultural genocide.

Simon Louvaki wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
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I thought that admiral was called rogue by the Navy after the incident ?


This is true, the Federation effectively washed their hands of Noir when he did what he did, the fact remains however that the Caldari people were outraged by this and saw it was a racially motivated attack. In the aftermath, Caldari Prime burned with riots and the State reacted in retaliation by invading. Pilot Andreus has made it clear he doesn't care what anyone outside the Federation think in any case.


So, what you are saying is that the Caldari followed an emotionally driven response coming from the masses ?

It sounds a little convenient. Though it sure might have been like a godsend to the CPD. Almost coincidental. Some silly conspirationists might even point at Heth anti gallentean drivels directly followed by a suicidal Nyx pilot crashing his ship into a symbolic station.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#63 - 2013-02-17 17:46:24 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


So, what you are saying is that the Caldari followed an emotionally driven response coming from the masses ?

It sounds a little convenient. Though it sure might have been like a godsend to the CPD. Almost coincidental. Some silly conspirationists might even point at Heth anti gallentean drivels directly followed by a suicidal Nyx pilot crashing his ship into a symbolic station.


Yes Mrs. Farel, thats what it was as far as I remember.

This is true though, it does sound convenient, but there was never any follow up from the Gallente Government on the possibility of Noir's motives as far as I can tell. There are certainly conspiracies that circulate around what happened, but I'm simply stating that in the eyes of the Caldari people and Megacorporations under the CPD (Which is most questionable) they saw it as reason enough to strike back at the Gallente. Was it right? no, I remember listening to Otro Gariushi address the nation after Heth's most famous speech about how the Gallente were to blame for the States problems.

Whatever the case, all hope for a peaceful resolution was destroyed with Gariushi-haan's death and the inflamed emotions of the people and State leadership was all that was left to burn out what was left of reason in the State. At the time, I remember being shocked and infuriated too, had I been someone else I may have supported a strike before the facts were clear.

Admittedly my response was fulled a bit by irritability, something I should try not to do again.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-02-17 17:50:56 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Pilot Andreus has made it clear he doesn't care what anyone outside the Federation think in any case.

No, I don't care what you think, because you're kind of a moron. There are people outside the Federation whose opinions I value very much - Pieter Tuulinen, Katrina Oniseki, Verin Haktain and Ava Starfire, to name but a few. Perhaps if you held any opinions worth valuing, I might feel differently about you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#65 - 2013-02-17 17:52:43 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Pilot Andreus has made it clear he doesn't care what anyone outside the Federation think in any case.

No, I don't care what you think, because you're kind of a moron. There are people outside the Federation whose opinions I value very much - Pieter Tuulinen, Katrina Oniseki, Verin Haktain and Ava Starfire, to name but a few. Perhaps if you held any opinions worth valuing, I might feel differently about you.


At least the feeling is mutual.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#66 - 2013-02-17 20:21:52 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:


Admittedly my response was fulled a bit by irritability, something I should try not to do again.


I did not find it especially fueled by irritability.
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#67 - 2013-02-18 15:08:35 UTC
Clearly this whole thing is an elaborate hoax. I know from personal experience that Black Eagles only listen to smooth jazz.

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A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-02-18 15:22:20 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Joke around if you want. I don't really have the time to bicker with racist genocide apologists such as yourself, but Verin had an exceptionally clear and concise argument for why we believe what we believe.


I'd like to see his facts. As far as I remember, Noir wasn't a pod pilot and, as such, shouldn't have a clone of any kind.


Actually, Alexander Noir was an early capsuleer. This has been historically confirmed. While the cloning technology at the time was significantly less developed than that in use now, it could still have accomplished the task of allowing a neural imposter into a cloned body of the late Admiral Noir.

~Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#69 - 2013-02-24 19:57:46 UTC
Well, the SDII certainly put the Provists to shame. THAT is how you raid a large public event.
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#70 - 2013-02-25 16:56:29 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Well, the SDII certainly put the Provists to shame. THAT is how you raid a large public event.

SDII: Putting the Pro into Provist.

Not exactly something I'd expect the Federation, with its traditions of free speech and tolerance, would be overly proud of but I suppose it could work as a snappy catchphrase for a recruitment poster.

Although... if the SDII really were that good I'd have thought the artist in question wouldn't have even made it to the stage. She'd be "cooperating with the authorities" and no one would be any the wiser. Or is this a reflection of the Gallente taste for hype, fame and mass media? Where even security operations are carried out in front of a packed audience.

Bataav

Mahesha | Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-02-25 16:57:54 UTC
Notice how the SDII are able to carry out raids in public areas without inflicting massive casualties, whereas the Provists resort to bombing entire districts from orbit.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#72 - 2013-02-25 17:10:43 UTC
While fewer casualties is always a good thing, it doesn't really make thye situation any better, Andy.

While I think that the SDII believe they are doing what is in the best interests of the Federation (not a bad thing in and of itself), I personally disagree with their decision to perform this raid in such a public and showy manner. I'm in agreement with Bataav here: this could have been better dealt with privately, either before or after the concert. I doubt there was a real compelling reason to do it the way it was done, beyond a 'show of force'.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#73 - 2013-02-25 18:21:06 UTC
The person taken is a Gallentean rockstar, no? Seems to me that they could have taken him easily after the show when, you know, he remains all messed up on drugs, but isn't being watched. Put out a few stories in the news networks about how he dissapeared randomly and was never seen again. No one would be the wiser.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#74 - 2013-02-25 18:58:50 UTC
I'm not sure if there's no gender in Nation or not, Tib, but last I checked, Jolee Hanvyner is a woman.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#75 - 2013-02-25 19:18:03 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I'm not sure if there's no gender in Nation or not, Tib, but last I checked, Jolee Hanvyner is a woman.


My mistake. I don't tend to follow these things.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-02-25 20:11:17 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I'm not sure if there's no gender in Nation or not, Tib, but last I checked, Jolee Hanvyner is a woman.


You know, you might be right about that. Would explain a lot of things...

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#77 - 2013-02-25 21:14:35 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The person taken is a Gallentean rockstar, no?


Having only belatedly realized the Sani Sabik might be on the verge of overthrowing the democratically elected representatives of the Federation and replacing them with stylish candy ravers, I am desperately trying to catch up with who does what to whom in that debauched sanctimonious wasteland.

At various times, I have been under the impression that:

Menthos Black is/was head of the Black Eagles (go figure).

Menthos appeared with Midna, who is the Sani Sabik cult leader/spokeswoman, and also affiliated with Egometrics.

Egometrics has a enormous database of genetic information on more or less every Gallois.

Tangent: Blood Raiders are also known to have gigantonormous databases of genetic information on all of their victims.

So... are the Black Eagles trying to further Midna's career, and therefore a Sani Sabik takeover, by cacking everyone else who sings? Would a cult of vampiric candy ravers at the helm actually improve life in the aisles of Federated department stores?

Inquiring mind must know!
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#78 - 2013-02-25 21:19:47 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The person taken is a Gallentean rockstar, no?


Having only belatedly realized the Sani Sabik might be on the verge of overthrowing the democratically elected representatives of the Federation and replacing them with stylish candy ravers, I am desperately trying to catch up with who does what to whom in that debauched sanctimonious wasteland.

At various times, I have been under the impression that:

Menthos Black is/was head of the Black Eagles (go figure).

Menthos appeared with Midna, who is the Sani Sabik cult leader/spokeswoman, and also affiliated with Egometrics.

Egometrics has a enormous database of genetic information on more or less every Gallois.

Tangent: Blood Raiders are also known to have gigantonormous databases of genetic information on all of their victims.

So... are the Black Eagles trying to further Midna's career, and therefore a Sani Sabik takeover, by cacking everyone else who sings? Would a cult of vampiric candy ravers at the helm actually improve life in the aisles of Federated department stores?

Inquiring mind must know!


Dearest Gosa, have you ever considered a career in the news?
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#79 - 2013-02-25 21:43:22 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Having only belatedly realized the Sani Sabik might be on the verge of overthrowing the democratically elected representatives of the Federation and replacing them with stylish candy ravers, I am desperately trying to catch up with who does what to whom in that debauched sanctimonious wasteland.

Quite possibly the best comment I've seen in a week, or more.

We appear to have a new Muck Raker on our hands.

Glory

Faded Light is recruiting
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#80 - 2013-02-25 23:25:16 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dearest Gosa, have you ever considered a career in the news?


Cherished Tibby, I might have a difficult time laying any claim to objectivity, but perhaps that foible might be ameliorated by speaking loudly. I am well regarded by ACN, if I do say so myself, and I have stashed several hundred million ISK worth of planetary produce in their Aphi research station.

Hmmm.

Of course, the Araz enterprise Cynthia and I discussed at Lady Vitalia's party (I shan't dwell on it, I'm sure the memories are painful for you) might be looked at askance by some... but it is for Science! For Understanding!

For Truth!

What finer cornerstone of journalistic integrity than Truth? And, incidentally, oiling up my Most Preferred lupus Sebiestor and encouraging him to pop his pod in the Bonfire's hole led me to an observe a connection between the most heinous practices of degenerate Takmahl, even more heinous contemporary Raiders, and Gallente space.

Hmmm.

It must be a Sign - a Calling. And I do feel guilt over having ignored the Gallente as the most superficial and least interesting of our major civilizations given this startling undercurrent of corruption. Corruption attracts me like no other. What's more, that cowboy your coterie left naked at Vitalia's bar opened my eyes to the possibility of substituting Gallente underwear models for Sebiestor should my Cartel supplier go wobbly on me.

To Crystal Boulevard!