EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi-sec (from the low-sec point of view) is full of carebears and AFKers. Low-sec (from the hi-sec point of view) is full of bored wannabe PvPers.

Discuss.

The core of the conflict? Stupid people. Few Highsec dwellers hate Nullsec. Few Nullsec Dwellers hate Highsec. We depend on eachother. Some minerals can only be mined in Null, while large scale Manufacturing is almost impossible in Null, so we need to ship things to High.

Lowsec.... I don't really know. It's a good place for small gang PvP, but except for a few hotspots, it's dead, and the systems SEEM worthless. I don't know, maybe I'm not refined enough to know how, or Why one would live in Lowsec.

Forums are rarely representative of anything, because you're most likely to get participation by people with the biggest axe to grind.

Im sure i will be ripped apart for this post. However this is from my own perspective and my guesses on why people "hate" "empire carebears" and everything related to it.

From you start to play you will hear about 0.0, the great fights, the good ISK, the interesting (and at times frustrating) politics, cap ships, mightly alliances and their leaders (the kind of names that "everyone" knows). Basically 0.0 is the land of milk and honey, great in every way and form. That is until you go there
And ofc at the same time you hear about how "lame" empire is, how its just noobs and carebears and wannabe pirates/PVPers (normally calling them selfes mercs) war deccing said noobs and carebears for the fun of it.

Please note im not saying there is something wrong with this kind of thinking, and to some degree i agree with it. As in.. If you have never been in 0.0 you should give it a honest try just to say you DID it and see what its all about. But i can not agree with people who say that empire is just filled with carebears, cowards, people who arent "elite" enough for 0.0, scared to loose ships...the list goes on.

In many ways empire is more unsafe then 0.0.
0.0 pilot logs on and checks local, no one but blues and intel channel is quiet.. safe to undock and do whatever. If a longer trip is needed clone jump or use a jump bridge or just take the trip for fun.
Empire pilot logs on. Local is filled with neutrals you have never seen before, some might be suecide gankers, some might be looking to harass you, some is after your precius ore, some wants to salvage your wrecks while you run missions, some stick to shout about their scams in local chat and some are looking for the next corp with shiny ships to war dec.

Now also keep in mind that just because some people happen to be in empire that day, it does not mean they actually live in empire. You still have things like WH space or low sec. But in general 0.0 people will look down on these as well because those kind of players are not "elite" enough, because the only thing that matters is 0.0 (according to some).
Its very amusing when someone who has played for less then a year is trying to tell me that i dont matter even if i have played for 7+ because im in empire space

Now the core of the conflict.. Honestly thats a rough one.. Personally i think its just natural for people to "hate" on something. We do it in real life so why not in game. But i imagion that its like with Norway and Sweden... Even if norwegians make a lot of bad jokes about swedes (and ofc the other way around) there is no real "hate" behind it but more a.. picking on eachother because we always have kind of thing.
But then again im sure there are also those that "hate" 0.0 for reasons like.. "CCP is helping (alliance) with free stuff and looks trough the fingers when they do (whatever)!" and EVE players tend to be very good at looking at something simple and blow it WAY out of pruporsion. And lets face it, 0.0 alliances and their leaders brings some really awesome drama once in a while!

Personally i have retired from 0.0 a few years ago. I will most likely never set a foot in 0.0 again after getting burned out with all the drama and stress, just to do things i have no interest in or i already have done. Empire space might sound boring for the "Omg people know my alliance ticker! That means im special!" people, but no matter where you are (EVE or real life), when you gather a lot of people in one place there will always be drama, people who are unhappy, people who hate you and people who kiss your ass. The only differense is that if your an empire corp/alliance no one cares who you are and your drama wont get advertised all over the forums for people to enjoy

(I hope the post made some sense, if not blame it on me being tired )

You can make a lot of ISK in empire with less/little risk. Station trading is an example of this. Since being in 0.0 has (in theory) more risk some feel that the potential income from high sec professions should be nerfed to make it more in aligment with how little risk there is.

OK, I can see there might be a point there if it is possible to make a lot more money with a lot less risk. I don't know enough about the economy at my young (game) age to feel like I could judge that.

But someone earlier said there are materiels that cannot be obtained in Empire space. That does not balance things out? Why not ask for improved economic opportunity in Nullsec instead of looking for the other guy to be nerfed?

Lowsec is where the game actually exists as advertised, mostly. Highsec is a bit too warm and fuzzy and Nullsec is _way_ too warm, fuzzy, and safe for a lot of people. Low-sec and NPC-null are where you actually have the great risk for great reward dynamic actually going on. That and w-space, I guess.

It's also where you go to engage in formal PvP and where you go to intercept supply lines and so on.

I'm not sure why sovereignty null players would think of high-sec as carebearing, as high-sec has been significantly more dangerous for quite some time now.

I believe it has something to do with Sneetches.
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Actually only about one-percent regularly use the forums. So a lot of the "conflicts" are only on the forums. Just another type of PvP.

No it isn't.