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The soaring cost of Plex...
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Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
#41 - 2013-02-18 13:21:28 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Easy solutions.

1.) Don't waste your time with mining, but instead actually play the game instead of watching por... youtube.
1a.) I *know* that you're mining mostly afk, because it takes the least effort and you can do other stuff while doing it.
1aa.) How do i know ? Because you're indirectly admitting it! Congratulations, genius !

2.) Get a ******* job.

Do you have any idea how big the target is you have painted onto yourself ? The amount of ISK you'll lose
because of this thread will make you UNSUB (byeeee!!! *waves*) because of your soon-to-be-had losses !

Well done, genius !


Christ!

Seriously I'm NOT, NEVER HAVE NOR INTEND to do that! How many times do i have to repeat myself.

there are OTHER threads which talk openly about it, I HAVEN'T!!!!Your Psychic skills are seriously FU@&*D up if you think I am doing that.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-02-18 13:23:08 UTC
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Easy solutions.

1.) Don't waste your time with mining, but instead actually play the game instead of watching por... youtube.
1a.) I *know* that you're mining mostly afk, because it takes the least effort and you can do other stuff while doing it.
1aa.) How do i know ? Because you're indirectly admitting it! Congratulations, genius !

2.) Get a ******* job.

Do you have any idea how big the target is you have painted onto yourself ? The amount of ISK you'll lose
because of this thread will make you UNSUB (byeeee!!! *waves*) because of your soon-to-be-had losses !

Well done, genius !


Christ!

Seriously I'm NOT, NEVER HAVE NOR INTEND to do that! How many times do i have to repeat myself.

there are OTHER threads which talk openly about it, I HAVEN'T!!!!Your Psychic skills are seriously FU@&*D up if you think I am doing that.




I didn't say you were botting. I said you're afk mining.
Also: My head hurts like mad and i can't do **** about it.

Why can't you simply spend lousy 15 bucks a month and just play the game,
instead of grinding all month for a PLEX so you can grind another month for another PLEX ?
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
#43 - 2013-02-18 13:24:49 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Easy solutions.

1.) Don't waste your time with mining, but instead actually play the game instead of watching por... youtube.
1a.) I *know* that you're mining mostly afk, because it takes the least effort and you can do other stuff while doing it.
1aa.) How do i know ? Because you're indirectly admitting it! Congratulations, genius !

2.) Get a ******* job.

Do you have any idea how big the target is you have painted onto yourself ? The amount of ISK you'll lose
because of this thread will make you UNSUB (byeeee!!! *waves*) because of your soon-to-be-had losses !

Well done, genius !


Christ!

Seriously I'm NOT, NEVER HAVE NOR INTEND to do that! How many times do i have to repeat myself.

there are OTHER threads which talk openly about it, I HAVEN'T!!!!Your Psychic skills are seriously FU@&*D up if you think I am doing that.




I didn't say you were botting. I said you're afk mining.
Also: My head hurts like mad and i can't do **** about it.

Why can't you simply spend lousy 15 bucks a month and just play the game,
instead of grinding all month for a PLEX so you can grind another month for another PLEX ?


Clearly I'm now going to spend £19.99 a month and buy game time.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-02-18 13:31:14 UTC
The answer that the OP is looking for is speculation or the resale margin added into the price.

The price of PLEX is based on two things: what the original seller sold the PLEX for and what the PLEX reseller is selling it at.

PLEX resellers "need" to make their margin which is anywhere between 5%-15% on a PLEX. At 500 million that's 25 to 50 million per PLEX.

This, in turn, causes the price of PLEX to rise faster than they would otherwise and keeps the price from dropping quickly.

If you're willing to take the time and plan out a PLEX purchase you can save some ISK with your own buy order. Further, you can use the timecode bazaar if you want (although you'll typically wind up getting 60 days of gametime) and the sellers in the timecode bazaar sometimes don't really keep up with current PLEX prices. Well, they keep up with PLEX price increases but try to ignore the change when it drops.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#45 - 2013-02-18 13:33:12 UTC
Must play to play to play so I can play more.

PLEX don't matter when you just suck it up and pay for a sub. Besides, the price of plex is dropping.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-02-18 13:34:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ankles McGlashan
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
Clearly I'm now going to spend £19.99 a month and buy game time.


it's £10 per month for a monthly sub. if you buy a whole year it works out as about £7.50 a month iirc.
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
#47 - 2013-02-18 13:34:58 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
The answer that the OP is looking for is speculation or the resale margin added into the price.

The price of PLEX is based on two things: what the original seller sold the PLEX for and what the PLEX reseller is selling it at.

PLEX resellers "need" to make their margin which is anywhere between 5%-15% on a PLEX. At 500 million that's 25 to 50 million per PLEX.

This, in turn, causes the price of PLEX to rise faster than they would otherwise and keeps the price from dropping quickly.

If you're willing to take the time and plan out a PLEX purchase you can save some ISK with your own buy order. Further, you can use the timecode bazaar if you want (although you'll typically wind up getting 60 days of gametime) and the sellers in the timecode bazaar sometimes don't really keep up with current PLEX prices. Well, they keep up with PLEX price increases but try to ignore the change when it drops.


WOW, a constructive response to my original thread topic which wasn't sarcastic, bitchy or accusing me of something. Thank you FM
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-02-18 13:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
You seem angry at the fact that there is a demand for PLEX which has increased the price.

What do you expect CCP to do about? All it means you have to look at alternative to making isk. I "oddly enough" know many miners that make enough through mining and manufacturing in highsec to pay for their subs.

Let me elevate your anger by declaring war on your corp.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#49 - 2013-02-18 13:38:49 UTC
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-02-18 13:46:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.

That's not true at all !
I have a job and don't see a reason to waste my ISK for a sub,
even if i have enough ISK to PLEX for years to come !
It doesn't matter ! For me, it's wasting ISK !
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#51 - 2013-02-18 13:50:37 UTC
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
I've been paying EVE for over 2 years and in that time the cost of buying PLEX in the game has almost doubled in purchase price.


Player driven market, prices fluctuate, they have been higher than this before, and they will go down again (then up again, then down again).

Akira Na'Reece wrote:
The cost of mining and other game rewards has not gone up to reflect this inflation cost, so can someone shed any light as to why the cost of in-game plex gone up ? Surely with more and more people playing Eve, this cost should have gone down to reflect the swelling numbers of new players and the options available to buy more Plex.


Perhaps all these new people are trying to play via plex? driving the price higher until the market adjusts.

Akira Na'Reece wrote:
This is frustrating, especially as Eve does not allow the use of bots to mine, so personally I find more and more of my game time, is spent mining, which lets face it, is a very tedious task and can take hours and hours of plain boredom, especialy if you only have 1 character (I have more than 1, however im sure you get my point here).


This is a game, why on earth are you spending time doing something you don't want to do? Go do something you do enjoy doing, find other more fun ways to earn your isk.

Akira Na'Reece wrote:
At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.


Without being rude, this is basically a stupid suggestion to fix a vaguely related problem., allow botting means anyone who doesn't bot is at a huge disadvantage and most people will bot.

- Lots more Trit on the market, far far more than now due to all the botting
- Price of trit goes down
- So instead of pre-bot mining for an hour earning you 100m ISK, you'll have to bot for 5 hours to earn the same amount.

Akira Na'Reece wrote:
Has anyone else found the prices in the game for items as generally gone up over the past few years ?


Inflation.
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#52 - 2013-02-18 13:54:27 UTC
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
The fantasty universe I live in err that would be the Eve Universe!

and I'm not asking for the price to go down, I do have a grasp of economics, I'm just asking why hasn't the reward system risen in line to reflect this over the past few years.

I do missions too, however, if a newbie to the game starts with a month's membership then is hit with a 650 million cost of another month, is it farr to expect them in a newbie ship with simple mission to get to a standard where they can afford a 650 million cost bill to continue to play...

I'm just starting a thread, no bashing please.


What do you think would happen if a <1month old noobie account was able to reasonably and easily earn enough ISK to basically get the game for Free? this would mean that every single 6m old character could EASILY sub via plex, so EVERYONE would be playing via plex.. and no one would be selling them then.... awww crap, the system just broke and there are no PLEX on the market anymore.
Lexmana
#53 - 2013-02-18 13:59:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.

I think there are better ways to spend ISK than buying PLEX and the €€ I spend for subbing is hardly noticeable in my RL budget. But each to their own.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-02-18 14:00:21 UTC
Stoogie wrote:
If you want to bot leave the game. And the thread is about you wanting to bot because you brought it up in the first post.



Why bot when all he needs is isbox, a good computer and turn 20 clients? -they pay for themselves, and the more there will be the higher Plex will go.

We need more multiboxers, more plex demand, minerals/ice prices must go down so when you can sell plex for 1Bill.

Every one profits, multiboxers, cheaper ships for players, more plex sold for CCP. GO for it NAW !! Cool

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MainDrain
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-02-18 14:02:42 UTC
Get a BC, omni tank it, fit a probe launcher and some salvage drones. Find a class 2 wormhole, run a couple of sites.

This weekend i was making on average 70mil per site in a C2 on my own (i got lucky with nanoribbons) its easy enough to clear 650mil in a weekend without mining on a large scale.

You could also use all the salvage and loot from the missions you run to do manufacturing on the side. If you look at the prices of a the Tier 3 BCs at the moment, building 6-8 of them per month (not a massive challenge) can bring you in the money you wan
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#56 - 2013-02-18 14:14:28 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.

I think there are better ways to spend ISK than buying PLEX and the €€ I spend for subbing is hardly noticeable in my RL budget. But each to their own.


Oh im for whatever a player is comfortable with. I'm addressing the usual "you're dumb for spending isk to play the game" crowd that typically doesn't understand that everyone isn't therm.

I know people who make loads of isk who pay with real money, no big deal. But the OP is off base, looking at the problem from the wrong end. The prices aren't the problem, if you want to pay for the game with isk you should be good...at making isk lol.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2013-02-18 14:19:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.


I can buy a plex or pay £ and use that isk to buy two megathrons for pvp. I go for the megathrons.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-02-18 14:51:01 UTC
I generally PLEX when I'm not really playing so I don't need the ISK for ships and I just fill my skill queue.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-02-18 14:51:51 UTC
Akira Na'Reece wrote:
Fractal Muse wrote:
The answer that the OP is looking for is speculation or the resale margin added into the price.

The price of PLEX is based on two things: what the original seller sold the PLEX for and what the PLEX reseller is selling it at.

PLEX resellers "need" to make their margin which is anywhere between 5%-15% on a PLEX. At 500 million that's 25 to 50 million per PLEX.

This, in turn, causes the price of PLEX to rise faster than they would otherwise and keeps the price from dropping quickly.

If you're willing to take the time and plan out a PLEX purchase you can save some ISK with your own buy order. Further, you can use the timecode bazaar if you want (although you'll typically wind up getting 60 days of gametime) and the sellers in the timecode bazaar sometimes don't really keep up with current PLEX prices. Well, they keep up with PLEX price increases but try to ignore the change when it drops.


WOW, a constructive response to my original thread topic which wasn't sarcastic, bitchy or accusing me of something. Thank you FM


I would say speculation is part of the answer. But it is also supply/demand. If everyone collectively decided the cost of plex was too high and nobody bought, the price would eventually drop. But (aside from mining) there are so many ways to make fast isk these days that people can continue to afford them and thus are willing to pay the ever increasing price.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#60 - 2013-02-18 14:52:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are having trouble making the isk to buy plex, it doesn't mean there is a problem with plex, it means you isk making operation sucks. Same goes for the "just pay your sub, making a dollar an hour is bad" crowd, you just don't know how to make isk in a short amount of time.


I can buy a plex or pay £ and use that isk to buy two megathrons for pvp. I go for the megathrons.


I make enough is to plex and buy THREE Megas, so there (lol).

Me personally, i have way more time than cash and actualyl enjoy PVE so i plex. Everyone isn't in the same boat.