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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-18 10:11:09 UTC
Behnid Arcani wrote:
The Abaddon will most likely be changed to fit this though. I do't know how drastic the changes to T2 ships will be, but maybe the Paladin and Absolution will pick up the role of all guns / all tank/ limited utility, with the Abaddon becoming a Khanid inspired close range ship, with unbonused missile options. Like the new Prophecy.


I think you have no idea what you are talking about
Behnid Arcani
The Lucky Rogers
#22 - 2013-02-18 10:55:14 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Behnid Arcani wrote:
The Abaddon will most likely be changed to fit this though. I do't know how drastic the changes to T2 ships will be, but maybe the Paladin and Absolution will pick up the role of all guns / all tank/ limited utility, with the Abaddon becoming a Khanid inspired close range ship, with unbonused missile options. Like the new Prophecy.


I think you have no idea what you are talking about


Not really. I just like talking about different possibilities. I'd like people to educate me though, hence opening up the thread Big smile

I'm learning a lot though, from people's responses. Mostly that the Amarr BS line up is considered good enough already, and that the game play for Armageddon in particular is what I should be building for. I always thought it was supposed to be the close range damage dealer, so I'm a little surprised it's considered a drone boat already.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#23 - 2013-02-18 10:58:23 UTC
Behnid Arcani wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Behnid Arcani wrote:
Chris Slayter wrote:


So you have no experience with Amarr BS whatsoever and suggest tremendous changes to a ship that is far from being in need of a change, solely because you are a huge fan of the Prophecy and the changes ahead?


No just idle theory crafting. Amarr have a new drone policy now, and I'd like to see a battleship to roll with those changes.

As has already been mentioned, we have one. It's the Armageddon. P


Well... okay, looking at the Armageddon as a drone boat in comparison to the Domi, it can fit with the different drone use styles. Without the bonus the Domi has, but the same bandwidth, the Gallente keep the brute force tactic. I'd like to see the Armageddon get an expanded drone bay though... so they can still have the back up drone benefits the other Amarr carriers have over the Gallente.


Arbitrator Bandwidth 50, Done Bay 150
Planned Prophecy Bandwidth 75, Drone Bay 225
Projected Armageddon Bandwidth 125, Drone Bay 375? Maintaining the Bay being 3 times the Bandwidth?
Behnid Arcani
The Lucky Rogers
#24 - 2013-02-18 11:16:51 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
Behnid Arcani wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Behnid Arcani wrote:
Chris Slayter wrote:


So you have no experience with Amarr BS whatsoever and suggest tremendous changes to a ship that is far from being in need of a change, solely because you are a huge fan of the Prophecy and the changes ahead?


No just idle theory crafting. Amarr have a new drone policy now, and I'd like to see a battleship to roll with those changes.

As has already been mentioned, we have one. It's the Armageddon. P


Well... okay, looking at the Armageddon as a drone boat in comparison to the Domi, it can fit with the different drone use styles. Without the bonus the Domi has, but the same bandwidth, the Gallente keep the brute force tactic. I'd like to see the Armageddon get an expanded drone bay though... so they can still have the back up drone benefits the other Amarr carriers have over the Gallente.


Arbitrator Bandwidth 50, Done Bay 150
Planned Prophecy Bandwidth 75, Drone Bay 225
Projected Armageddon Bandwidth 125, Drone Bay 375? Maintaining the Bay being 3 times the Bandwidth?


Something like that, but then that'll be the same as the Domi... so reduce the Domi drone bay, to bring it in line with the cruiser/battlecruisers ratio between Gallente and Amarr.

I guess either would be poorly received by players. Such a big drone bay on an un-bonused ship would seem silly, and reducing the Domi drone bay would have, well, predictable results.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2013-02-18 11:21:47 UTC
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I cannot think of a change that would **** me off more than that.

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Alayna Le'line
#26 - 2013-02-18 13:45:30 UTC
Behnid Arcani wrote:
I guess either would be poorly received by players. Such a big drone bay on an un-bonused ship would seem silly, and reducing the Domi drone bay would have, well, predictable results.


I'm already sharpening my knives.
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
Triumvirate.
#27 - 2013-02-18 15:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulasikaly Wada
i wish to see more BSs with with 100/125 Mb and 150/175 m3 of drone bay ( Apocapse/Typhoon navy love )
and maybe a different set of drone bonuses ( 10% optimal/speed ? speed/accuracy? Even drone control range isn't bad on a Bs ... ) making drones a real second weapon system BUT preventing it from becoming primary like on Domi/Rattlesnake.
Most of BSs without 125 Mb use it only for light and ECM/logistic drones.

Hula
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-02-18 16:53:52 UTC
Armageddons don't get a drone bonus unless the Typhoon does. Until then, leave it to Gallente.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#29 - 2013-02-18 16:59:45 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
Armageddons don't get a drone bonus unless the Typhoon does. Until then, leave it to Gallente.

I must stand with this upstanding citizen. The armageddon is perfectly fine just having an unbonused drone bay. You don't need a dedicated drone hull for every ship class in the amarr lineup.
Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2013-02-18 18:00:45 UTC
The battleship line is probably the most functional and balanced part of the Amarr fleet, there is no reason why it should be tinkered with.

I know there is a recent penchant for sticking drone bonuses on more Amarr ships, but that really doesn't have to extend to the Battleship level, nor should it IMO - that should be reserved for Gallente hulls.

War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Lili Lu
#31 - 2013-02-18 18:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Ok in thinking about this and seeing what they've been doing at the frig, cruiser, and BC level, prepare yourselves, we will be getting a BS with a drone bonus. So something will have to give. Please understand the below is not my wish. It is simply, as is the purpose of this thread, speculation about what will happen with Amarr BS rebalancing.

The Abaddon is probably going to get the drone treatment. Why? Well the Prophecy is similarly configured with the latest BC rebalancing. And marrying the drone bonus to the resist bonus limits the range options (immobile sentries and drone linked highsStraight). You see only the (mobility tank plus range bonus) Caracal, (resist plus good native or 10% bonus range) Ferox/Drake, and maybe the Caldari BSs, should have tank and range, still.Roll Being that it is tiericide though all is not lost for the close range 4 heavy bonused drone and short range gun option. The ship will probably gain some mobility over it's current state. Just like the prophecy it will probably have no gun bonus so you can fit pulse, ac, blaster, maybe even launchers to supplement damage. Slots probably staying similar to today. They will see it as the kind of ship you don't want microjump driving on top of you, latching on, and drone + gunning you to death as it "resists" your damage. Whether it will really function that way . .

The Apoc will probably stay very much as it currently is. Optimal and cap bonus making it good for newbies in missions while also good for skilled up fleet use in standard or navy version. It may in comparison become less agile or speedy as against the Abaddon.

The geddon is the one I'm least sure of. It will gain fittings (tiericide). And being that it is an amarr ship they will prefer to keep it as a pulse laser face melter (beams don't exist, just as rails shouldn't exist for gallente Roll). It will be expected to armor tank even though it will gain speed and mobility, and thus that buff will be lost once plated. It will then likely die horribly to any Blaster Rokh not similarly weighed down. As for the drone bay, who knows, who cares. If per chance they give it enough fittings/cap to contemplate gleam/multifreak-auroraTachyons for range use it will be out ranged by buffed cruise Ravens and aforementioned Rokhs with rails. It will probably have more success against reduced falloff ac boats (TE falloff nerf hitting minmatar harder than 10% per level optimal range bonuses on caldari blaster ships).

The rebalancing is starting to be somewhat predictable. And notice on eve-kill stats the slow replacement of the Drake by the buffed Caracal. Range + agility + shield resist tank advantages not going anywhere in eve combat. The Oracle is enjoying lots of use atm. But when the tier 3 BCs get adjusted it is bound to lose it's current advantages in fittings and mobility etc. So expect the CracalWhat? to remain up top with Lokis, Tengus (and Rokhs), while the current tier 3 BCs slide down the ranks, at least until the tech III rebalancing.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-18 18:27:33 UTC
I highly doubt they'll be killing the Amarr's premier fleet BS.

DPS and tank... thats what it does.

Drone boats are ill suited for large fleets, and the Geddon is alreayd halfway there to being a drone boat.
Lets not forget the navy geddon can already carry 5 sentries, 5 light drones, and 5 light ECM drones...

drop in a Drone Damage Augmentor or two in the lows... and you've got your drone DPS up significantly (with 4 mids and 3 rigs, you could even shield tank it, and then go full gank with heat sinks and DDAs, not unlike you might do with a shield domi)

The geddon is the best candidate for becoming a drone boat - unless CCP wants the changes to be as disruptive as possible.
Lili Lu
#33 - 2013-02-18 18:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Verity Sovereign wrote:
The geddon is the best candidate for becoming a drone boat - unless CCP wants the changes to be as disruptive as possible.

You may be right. As I said it was simply speculation based on what they did with BCs (not what I would prefer). Yes at the cruiser and frig level the resist bonus was not married to the drone bonus. However, it still will suck in comparison to whatever they do with Caldari BSs for damage projection plus tank and mobility. Straight
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