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Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#21 - 2013-02-18 03:50:52 UTC
Other then trusting an Ammatar, I would rather not be trusting towards strangers. It helps minimize the backstabbing. So I am guessing never trust a Ammatar is the new saying of the momment?

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Salena Ashera
#22 - 2013-02-18 04:26:08 UTC
They are our brothers and you would so easily label them as 'untrustworthy' because they share a difference in religion. Those of you that base your opinion completely on who they follow are just as bad as the fiends that descended upon old mother in the day of darkness because you harbor the same vile hatred for people with other ideas and faiths.

Who're you Onnen to decide that the god they worship isn't the collective of the spirits revealing themselves in a way relevant to them.

Salena Ashera; Shandian Lu clan Mystic.
Zurtan Bayle
The Wings of Maak
#23 - 2013-02-18 05:43:11 UTC
Never trust an Ammatar.

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Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-18 06:41:01 UTC
I'm willing to trust a Nefantar. If they earn it.

This is the time for all of the tribes to come together to build a greater future for the Minmatar people.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-02-18 06:41:34 UTC
I'm glad to see that the whole 'tribal unity' thing is working out so well.

Seriously, get together at your conclave and look deep inside yourselves for some common ground. A race so divided is mortally wounded and will never prosper.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Salena Ashera
#26 - 2013-02-18 06:48:38 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'm glad to see that the whole 'tribal unity' thing is working out so well.

Seriously, get together at your conclave and look deep inside yourselves for some common ground. A race so divided is mortally wounded and will never prosper.


This one thousand times, this. We can't continue warring with our brothers and sisters and seeking to further divide and fracture our people. We need to come together, now just as much as ever before. The presence of each tribes elders together is a perfect time for us to focus on unity and cease this silly, racist division.

Salena Ashera; Shandian Lu clan Mystic.
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-02-18 06:53:27 UTC
A dozen capsuleers do not make a racial schism. There were easily ten times that number escorting the delegates to Pator. The tribes are more united than they have been in years.

Peter Tulinen: look to your own people before you cast stones. We're worried about whether someone said "God" in public or not. *scandal!*. Your kind are vaporizing each other from orbit.
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#28 - 2013-02-18 07:38:18 UTC
Appearently the whispers of our ancestors spirits were not clearly heard by some.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Take in mind that there are many Ni-Kunni, Khanid, and True Amarrians who fight for the Republic specifically because their interpretation of the Amarrian faith tells them there are wrongs with the Empire that need to be righted.


Yet they are not represented in Tribal Council do they. Why would Ammatar be represented there?

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Seriously, get together at your conclave and look deep inside yourselves for some common ground. A race so divided is mortally wounded and will never prosper.


We are fully supporting a union within Six tribes of Matar. Those who caused the real division have no place in tribal council.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Spend a little less time worrying about the words people say and more time worrying about the actions people take.


We want to prevent another tragedy happening and we take these words as a sign. It was in the name of that wretched Amarrian entity that our kinsmen were slain. There was no real need to pronounce that name in the eve of Tribal Council. It was a clear provocation. It was a clear sign of things to come.

Hence our warning. Hence the whispers of our ancestors. Even if you are deaf to our ancestors whispering, we'll help you hearing and understanding them as they say:

Never trust an Ammatar!
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-02-18 08:19:33 UTC
Tabor Murn wrote:
A dozen capsuleers do not make a racial schism. There were easily ten times that number escorting the delegates to Pator. The tribes are more united than they have been in years.


Tribes are indeed more united and we are glad of that. We only have a problem with the ones calling themselves "Nefantar"

However. Has anyone bothered to ask the people what they feel about their return. Each and everyone of them has directly taken part in enslaving other Minmatar (and that includes the Starkmanir they so valiantly "rescued"). I am also happy for the return of Starkmanir, but saving them does not suddenly make the Nefantar treachery forgotten. Yes, time has passed from the rebellion, but consider this...

If Minmatar enslaves another in the republic, he will be brought to justice. Taking away someones freedom is one of the most severe crimes. Each and every Ammatar has directly benefited from enslavement from others. Reinventing the Nefantar name does not erase that history. Although it conveniently reminds of the original treachery.

A dozen capsuleers? Would you pop your head out of the capsule for a change. Our entire race was betrayed by them and still a huge population of Minmatar are enslaved by them and Amarr. Do you honestly think that this is a question of "a dozen capsuleers" are being "radical"?

There is no reason whatsoever to allow Ammatar to migrate back. There is every reason to let them keep their new Ammatar heritage. This is not the time for a warm and fuzzy grouphug with our enemy.

No, to us the Nefantar tribe is no more. It died with their betrayal.

Never trust an Ammatar!
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-02-18 09:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tabor Murn
I weep that your kind has such hatred in your hearts for your own kin.

For better or for worse, the Nefantar are a tribe from Matar herself. Some of them remain with the Amarr, and they remain Ammatar.

The rest have come to reclaim their birthright. We welcome the liberated slaves of the Brutor, the Sebiestor, The Vherokior, The Krusual, The Starkmanir, and the Thukker. Why should we treat our brethren who wish to see the Minmatar made whole again different?

The Sanmatar and all of the tribal representatives are for unity. I was there to escort them to Pator. I stand with them now , again for Unity!

All shall respect the might of the tribes!
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-02-18 10:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kary Franks
Tabor Murn wrote:
We welcome the liberated slaves of the Brutor, the Sebiestor, The Vherokior, The Krusual, The Starkmanir, and the Thukker. Why should we treat our brethren who wish to see the Minmatar made whole again different?


Liberated slaves. Slaver. See the difference? Tribes can be whole without the traitors. They are the cancer that was removed for the whole to be healthy again. If you feel that the Tribes are not whole without them, the problem is inside you. I suggest you contemplate on that.

Yes. The slavery of our people has cut us deep. Yes. There has been lot of suffering. Yes. We believe the Ammatar have chosen their path. It is so easy to label us "blinded by hate". At the same time, there seem to be people out there who have such an emptiness inside them, they'd do anything to get it filled. Ask yourself, what is the emptiness that the return of these traitors would fill?

Tabor Murn wrote:
All shall respect the might of the tribes!


The might of the tribes has already been there. However, we can still be Six Kin united, strong and free.
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-18 10:17:26 UTC
Odd, I counted seven in Pator.

You and your Murie brethren keep claiming all are Ammatar, yet the actions such as those of Chief Eleca Valkanir say otherwise.

On a personal note:
I have fought for the Minmatar people since I left the gravity well of my birthworld. Call me empty of morality or suggest I am a traitor, and I will kill you Kary Franks.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#33 - 2013-02-18 10:28:01 UTC
Speaking strictly personally, as Minmatar, behaviour here is unbecoming. As I recall, the Elders were the ones who brought the Nefantar back to us, alongside the Starkmanir that they had protected.

Did the Elders not seek us to be united? Did the Defiants not give their lives to this cause? For 7 united tribes?

I hope that the Murientor can bury the hatchet and help build a new, peaceful and stable Republic.

A stable Republic is a blessing to the whole cluster.

**Vherokior **
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#34 - 2013-02-18 10:33:52 UTC
Now, just a friendly reminder: one sure-fire way for some of the Tribes to raise capital to fight off another one of the Tribes is to sell the Sebiestor back to Amarr. "Unity" is for table thieves, after all.
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-02-18 10:38:07 UTC
We've seen what you do to Sebiestor. I'm sure I speak for all when I say, we're not intersted.
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-02-18 10:53:27 UTC
Tabor Murn wrote:
Odd, I counted seven in Pator.

You and your Murie brethren keep claiming all are Ammatar, yet the actions such as those of Chief Eleca Valkanir say otherwise.


I guess you want Six Kin Developments renamed, then? Even then when that corporation was founded, it was realized that Nefantir are gone. And the spirit of Starkmanir was still present. We were whole as Six Kin before and we can be so in the future.

What actions? Pretty much all that is generally known is this:

News wrote:
Nefantar Chief Eleca Valkanir is 78 years old, and spent most of her life as a civil servant within the government of the Ammatar Mandate.


Civil servant within the government of the Ammatar Mandate. 78 years old. She has obviously had the pleasure of enjoying the fruits of slave labour for quite some time. Now. If someone here thinks my tone or language inproper to talk of a chief, then challenge my opinion - GIVE THE PEOPLE FACTS. She has had ample opportunities to share her history with the Minmatar people. Has she? No. The Minmatar people have a right to know the background of all who call themselves Nefantar!

In addition, all those who had dealings with slavery should be brought to justice. Surely we can agree on this? And if this does not apply to Ammatar, why? Also, if someone silently condones slavery, how is that person any better?

Tabor Murn wrote:
On a personal note:
I have fought for the Minmatar people since I left the gravity well of my birthworld. Call me empty of morality or suggest I am a traitor, and I will kill you Kary Franks.


As have I. And on a personal note for you my friend. Where did I mention even a notion of you having lack of morality or being a traitor? You are a fellow warrior of the Minmatar people and worthy of my respect.

You should save your threats for the enemies of Minmatar!
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#37 - 2013-02-18 12:57:21 UTC
All have seen here is hear say and no solid proof, you do well to turn your eyes towards the true enemy instead of things you have heard.

Dissension with in the tribes serves us no good, it only helps the amarri. Is that what you want?, perhaps we should take a cold hard look at the ones crying about the ammmatar.

See i too can make up enemies, if you so disagree over the ammatar take it up with the elders.
I am sure they will listen to you, have you asked them?. Do you know what their intentions where?, no?.
Gifen Skalkar
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-02-18 13:02:53 UTC
As delegate to the Tribal Council for the Brutor Tribe, under the watchful eyes of my Tribal Chief, I declare my support and solidarity for the Nefantar Tribe, and their people.

Welcome home, brothers and sisters.
Muska Kaltash
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-02-18 13:03:37 UTC
As delegate to the Tribal Council for the Thukker Tribe, under the watchful eyes of my Tribal Chief, I declare my support and solidarity for the Nefantar Tribe, and their people.

Welcome home, brothers and sisters.
Asogur Gertak
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-02-18 13:04:27 UTC
As delegate to the Tribal Council for the Starkmanir Tribe, under the watchful eyes of my Tribal Chief, I declare my support and solidarity for the Nefantar Tribe, and their people.

Welcome home, brothers and sisters.