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If clones were free would more PVP?
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#21 - 2013-02-18 00:51:21 UTC
Actually clone cost should be increased.

Was already lowered 2-3 years ago. In the mean time more ISK faucet were added to the game and everyone is far ritcher. Clone cost should be scaled (increased) periodically in relation to this. To be podded today is nothing in respect of 2-3 years ago, this have to be fixed.

And, yes, is something to worry about. And no, if one doesnt feel to face a risk (in a game) simply should stay away, is not mandatory. But please do not ask to trivialize the whole game on this.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-02-18 00:55:09 UTC
Hixeppa wrote:
No. If you've reached 100M SP and are still pissing yourself over a little clone cost, you were never going to be a pvper. Carebear on.


if he had decided to hop straight in he wouldn't pay 30M for 'mistakes'

most of my 'mistakes' have costed less than 100K and I regard them as a free teleport to my next ship. I often demand to be podded though very politely.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-18 01:04:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
it is fairly broken though, there's not really much upgradability, reasons to have your name on the map besides just having it on the map, and the sov conflict is horribly unfun for all involved


I assume its fairly grindy?
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#24 - 2013-02-18 01:16:15 UTC
I would PVP more if insurance covered Tech 2 hulls.

I was good with T1 hulls 3 years ago. It just seems silly that the 'elite' ships I spent years skilling up for in PVE can't be flown into low-sec uncloaked or else it's like throwing away 60-120 mil ISK to whatever gangs or fittings which I haven't specifically prepped to counter.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-02-18 01:22:09 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
it is fairly broken though, there's not really much upgradability, reasons to have your name on the map besides just having it on the map, and the sov conflict is horribly unfun for all involved


I assume its fairly grindy?

yeah

the ehp you need to kill to take a region is absurd, in the tens of millions

the only way to do it is with unsupported supercarriers, but you can't do that against resistance (they will get ganked), so against resistance you need to muster giant fleets for each and every timer for each and every system and grind down the hub, tcu, and stations

it's a crazy amount of work

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-18 01:38:00 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
it is fairly broken though, there's not really much upgradability, reasons to have your name on the map besides just having it on the map, and the sov conflict is horribly unfun for all involved


I assume its fairly grindy?

yeah

the ehp you need to kill to take a region is absurd, in the tens of millions

the only way to do it is with unsupported supercarriers, but you can't do that against resistance (they will get ganked), so against resistance you need to muster giant fleets for each and every timer for each and every system and grind down the hub, tcu, and stations

it's a crazy amount of work


Sheesh.. I can understand needing a lot of work and wanting protection from night capping, but grinds are never fun.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#27 - 2013-02-18 01:46:54 UTC
Players should be able to opt into permadeath; no access to the clone network.

Benefits include:
You don't show up in local.
You don't show up in other peoples killmails.
Gate guns ignore you.

Anyone think of other benefits to not having a CONCORD transponder implanted in the base of your skull? (which is how I imagine things like instantly appearing in local or the clone network must function)?
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#28 - 2013-02-18 01:51:48 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Players should be able to opt into permadeath; no access to the clone network.

Benefits include:
You don't show up in local.
You don't show up in other peoples killmails.
Gate guns ignore you.

Anyone think of other benefits to not having a CONCORD transponder implanted in the base of your skull? (which is how I imagine things like instantly appearing in local or the clone network must function)?



Or at least introduce information integrity factors with a new "infomorph integrity" skill. Basically, you have x% chance of losing a given amount of skillpoints upon being podded. The higher the integrity skill is trained, the less chance you have of taking clone damage.

Just because we are immortal, it does not mean we are invulnerable

Profit favors the prepared
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#29 - 2013-02-18 02:01:53 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Players should be able to opt into permadeath; no access to the clone network.

Benefits include:
You don't show up in local.
You don't show up in other peoples killmails.
Gate guns ignore you.

Anyone think of other benefits to not having a CONCORD transponder implanted in the base of your skull? (which is how I imagine things like instantly appearing in local or the clone network must function)?



Or at least introduce information integrity factors with a new "infomorph integrity" skill. Basically, you have x% chance of losing a given amount of skillpoints upon being podded. The higher the integrity skill is trained, the less chance you have of taking clone damage.

Just because we are immortal, it does not mean we are invulnerable



Clone degradation would be awesome too.

I mean its like you take a copy of a copy of a copy. Eventually you wind up like the Asgard.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#30 - 2013-02-18 02:11:40 UTC
Much more. ALSO I noticed clones double charge us. I paid x amount of isk for a clone after the last time I was podded. Then, after being podded again, I was charged the cost of the clone. What's up with that?
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#31 - 2013-02-18 02:14:17 UTC
To further my previous' post meaning and making it easier to comprehend for the reader, I'll say this; It's one thing to buy the clone when you have the isk and do very safe activities during the times you don't.

However, during the course of activity between poddings, money fluctuates. When you're low you don't wanna be micromanaging your wallet to make sure you have the isk to cover the second charge. One charge and one charge only please
Novah Soul
#32 - 2013-02-18 04:01:24 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
Lets forget for a moment the Darwin issue of forgetting to upgrade/renew you medical clone and losing SP.

If free medical clones were provided to all players would this encourage more people to participate in PVP?

Players with over 100 mil SP are sometimes averted to PVP because of the cost of replacement clones at that level. Even lower level players can be drained having to replace countless clones. Without the worry of losing 10x or more the cost of the T1 firgate you are flying I think more players would be more willing to give it a try. At least on a more casual level you could JC into a implantless clone, go on a lo/null sec adventure for the afternoon and not have to worry about losing 75+ mil ISK and potential SP loss. It may just be the determining factor for alot of unsure players who wanted to get their feet wet but were afraid to.

Even most serious PVPers have alts to help augment their income to pay for their fun and also allow them access to hisec. Would it not also be beneficial to them to have one less thing to worry about? Let them concentrate on what they do best, killing.


Just wondering other opinions on this.

Clone costs haven't been the issue for me. It has moreso been that friggin 24 hour jump clone timer... Cry

A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#33 - 2013-02-18 04:06:48 UTC
If clone cost was a hurdle to PvP, why aren't there more people PvPing in sub-10M SP clones?

Use that 100M SP clone for carebearing it up in hisec flying L4 missions in your Kronos. Use the 10M SP clone for cheap laughs in lowsec, flying Reapers and painting people to death.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-02-18 04:27:09 UTC
Hixeppa wrote:
No. If you've reached 100M SP and are still pissing yourself over a little clone cost, you were never going to be a pvper. Carebear on.

More insight into PVP from Science and Trade Institute.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-02-18 04:30:02 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Clone degradation would be awesome too.

No, it would not.
It would be ******* awful game design and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#36 - 2013-02-18 05:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: RichtPaul
If clones were free!!! :D

Man I'd PVP in frigates and then when I died I would orbit in my pod around the enemy :D

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Roll

If clones were free how would we compete with older players in the race for skill points except hoping they unsubscribe, die in tech 3 ships, or die without an adequate clone?

Wait... what if I died in an inadequate clone? D:

Oh no I didn't think this through!!!! The death I wished upon other pod pilots IS ACTUALLY HURTING ME. I see the error of my ways now! Free clones for everybody! Pirate
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#37 - 2013-02-18 05:56:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Clone degradation would be awesome too.

No, it would not.
It would be ******* awful game design and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.


What? Is the risk factor of permadeath or actually standing to lose skillpoints too much for the hard core pvpers of Eve?
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#38 - 2013-02-18 05:57:03 UTC
RichtPaul wrote:
If clones were free!!! :D

Man I'd PVP in frigates and then when I died I would orbit in my pod around the enemy :D

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Roll

If clones were free how would we compete with older players in the race for skill points except hoping they unsubscribe, die in tech 3 ships, or die without an adequate clone?

Wait... what if I died in an inadequate clone? D:

Oh no I didn't think this through!!!! The death I wished upon other pod pilots IS ACTUALLY HURTING ME. I see the error of my ways now! Free clones for everybody! Pirate


Pods should have an AoE Doomsday self destruct!
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-18 06:00:43 UTC
No it would not, clones are dirt cheap. single +4 implant is more expensive than clone
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#40 - 2013-02-18 06:02:32 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
No it would not, clones are dirt cheap. single +4 implant is more expensive than clone


Yeah actually I hadn't thought of that and I bet a lot of the "clones r expensive!!!111" whiners didn't either!