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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-02-11 21:41:44 UTC
Havoc Zealot wrote:
I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this?



I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched.

Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon:

Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen.

Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made.

Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase.

Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#82 - 2013-02-14 07:36:57 UTC
Fact of the matter is, Id rather trust the devs instead of opinions and so far, they only hint very braudly at mineral cost to build to increase, on what, not a single ingame player knows.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#83 - 2013-02-14 21:58:41 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Havoc Zealot wrote:
I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this?



I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched.

Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon:

Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen.

Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made.

Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase.

Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'.


Or they could make it the Arbitrator's big brother, and a cheap alternative to the Bhaalgorn Twisted.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#84 - 2013-02-14 23:03:15 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Havoc Zealot wrote:
I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this?



I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched.

Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon:

Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen.

Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made.

Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase.

Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'.


Or they could make it the Arbitrator's big brother, and a cheap alternative to the Bhaalgorn Twisted.


I lol you dude, I lol you very much
Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#85 - 2013-02-15 20:14:42 UTC
I guess overall speculation is that they will be tweaked like everything else in time and it's probably worth dropping a few bucks into :)

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#86 - 2013-02-17 02:35:37 UTC
Last night, Someone Bought up Ferox from 34.5 to 39.

There was alot of ships in between 34.5 and 39.

Build cost last night 31m~

Do people have ants in there pants or what.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#87 - 2013-02-17 02:44:25 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Last night, Someone Bought up Ferox from 34.5 to 39.

There was alot of ships in between 34.5 and 39.

Build cost last night 31m~

Do people have ants in there pants or what.



Sometimes they just gotta dance.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#88 - 2013-02-17 06:39:49 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Last night, Someone Bought up Ferox from 34.5 to 39.

There was alot of ships in between 34.5 and 39.

Build cost last night 31m~

Do people have ants in there pants or what.



Indecently, its a very common acurance (bin doing ships and only ships for years)
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-02-17 15:38:31 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Last night, Someone Bought up Ferox from 34.5 to 39.

There was alot of ships in between 34.5 and 39.

Build cost last night 31m~

Do people have ants in there pants or what.



I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-02-17 17:42:09 UTC
Aryth wrote:


I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.


looking at the market-history im thinking we both must have a different definition off "30%" then.

btw. straight bragging about space money is baaaad...a true Gentleman does it sneaky and more "subliminal", you know.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#91 - 2013-02-17 18:10:44 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:


I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.


looking at the market-history im thinking we both must have a different definition off "30%" then.

btw. straight bragging about space money is baaaad...a true Gentleman does it sneaky and more "subliminal", you know.



Ferox:
Manufacture cost: 31 million
sale price: 39 million
Profit: 8 million

8/31*100: about 25% on your investment.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-02-17 18:45:59 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:


I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.


looking at the market-history im thinking we both must have a different definition off "30%" then.

btw. straight bragging about space money is baaaad...a true Gentleman does it sneaky and more "subliminal", you know.



Ferox:
Manufacture cost: 31 million
sale price: 39 million
Profit: 8 million

8/31*100: about 25% on your investment.


I think poor shara is terrible at math. That was one yes, Cyclones were
28.4 built
and 37.9 sold

I probably should have instead said 20-34%. Silly me!

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Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-02-17 18:59:37 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Ferox:
Manufacture cost: 31 million
sale price: 39 million
Profit: 8 million

8/31*100: about 25% on your investment.


not implying your somebody´s alt, but how do you know he sold it for 39 mil a piece to him? wich is even 2 mil above jita price btw...currently at ~37






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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-02-17 19:10:34 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Ferox:
Manufacture cost: 31 million
sale price: 39 million
Profit: 8 million

8/31*100: about 25% on your investment.


not implying your somebody´s alt, but how do you know he sold it for 39 mil a piece to him? wich is even 2 mil above jita price btw...currently at ~37








He doesn't. He is in fact about dead on though. I sold them as high as 41.8 from a quick glance at my logs. Flakeys bought 132 Ferox's from me at an average price of 37.9m.

The issue is, you don't seem to understand that everyone and their dog saw this coming and was sourcing stuff in Nov/Dec. If you are looking at todays market, you are already seeing the pyerite and mineral rush factored into prices. Which is where the vast majority of the instant profit comes from.

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Creator of Burn Jita

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-02-18 05:23:03 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Havoc Zealot wrote:
I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this?



I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched.

Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon:

Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen.

Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made.

Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase.

Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'.


Or they could make it the Arbitrator's big brother, and a cheap alternative to the Bhaalgorn Twisted.


I lol you dude, I lol you very much


As appealing as this sounds, I just love it's current brawling role, without the drawbacks of the abaddon (capacitor). I hope they keep it almost as is, myself, but just give it a little more speed, and a lote more tank.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#96 - 2013-02-18 06:01:34 UTC
Aryth wrote:
sourcing stuff in Nov/Dec

Quote:
instant profit


Big smile

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#97 - 2013-02-18 06:05:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Aryth wrote:
sourcing stuff in Nov/Dec

Quote:
instant profit


Big smile


I think he's built a time machine Ruby... :D
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#98 - 2013-02-18 08:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Candy Oshea
Aryth wrote:

I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.


flakeys also likes the word hub.

RubyPorto wrote:

Sometimes they just gotta dance.


Love the monocle Sir, o/\o, actually been waiting just to say ants in my pants on these forums for lulz.

Aryth wrote:

I think poor shara is terrible at math. That was one yes, Cyclones were
28.4 built
and 37.9 sold

I probably should have instead said 20-34%. Silly me!


If built, your actual profit, must take into account the sell price of the minerals, not what you paid for them, the opportunity to simply flip the minerals is often better than building, at least in the case of when you built them (pre-spike) now, id say building the hulls makes sense.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-02-18 09:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Aryth wrote:


He doesn't. He is in fact about dead on though. I sold them as high as 41.8 from a quick glance at my logs. Flakeys bought 132 Ferox's from me at an average price of 37.9m.




And that's only what i bought from you .... crazy i say CRAZY Big smile

Edit : hahaha me Md elite , a cook with allmost no education who doesn't have a clue about markets .... hahahaa hahahaaaaa . Ahhhh good times good times Roll .

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#100 - 2013-02-18 09:29:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Aryth wrote:


He doesn't. He is in fact about dead on though. I sold them as high as 41.8 from a quick glance at my logs. Flakeys bought 132 Ferox's from me at an average price of 37.9m.




And that's only what i bought from you .... crazy i say CRAZY Big smile

Edit : hahaha me Md elite , a cook with allmost no education who doesn't have a clue about markets .... hahahaa hahahaaaaa . Ahhhh good times good times Roll .


i Said C--C---C---C-----Craaaaazzzyy

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!