Warfare & Tactics

i'm really not all waaa afk cloaking needs to stop. An afk cloaker has even impacted on my funtime as recently as Wednesday.

It was inconvenient, but surprisingly my life didn't grind to a halt. If, and I do mean if, anything is to be done it should not touch local. Delaying local will have nowhere near the desired effect your expecting, and if anything it would make things worse.

Now a specific type of probe that will put you on grid with the cloaker, but within say, 50km (literally plucking that out of my arse so don't get hung up on that) then its up to the cloaker to pay attention to make sure they don't get de-cloaked. That seems fairly balanced to me, unless I'm missing something.

At the end of the day though, it's null sec. It isn't up to anyone bar yourself and your friends to keep yourselves safe. Making widesweeping changes to game mechanics shouldn't happen in order to make null sec safer, if anything the opposite should be the case.

I do kinda like the idea of things taking longer to jump through too. People in null should be able to group together enough to pop some of the initial frigs as they come through before the big stuff. I dunno, I've gone on enough now

AFK cloakers are as much of an issue as Local and Cyno because no game mechanic should encorage/reward a play style based on AFK. Imo changes to Local are warranted but they have to be balanced with afk cloaking. E.g. make a pilot disappear from Local in 1-2 minutes after cloaking. So if the locals missed that 1-2 window the cloaker gets adequate advantage to mount a surprise attack. On the other hand if the cloaker goes AFK the ship automatically decloaks after say 30 minutes and the pilot appears back in Local.

So tired of this popping up time after time.

If they are AFK, guess what - they can't ******* hurt you! If they aren't AFK, then they are playing a patient waiting game. It's called metagaming and psychological warfare. They camp your popular systems day after day until you get used to them being there and presume they're AFK. That's when they pounce.

If you allow them to keep you docked up, then that is your call.

As a couple people mentioned, the vigilant don't generally get caught.

There's also another option - have a defensive fleet out with your miners; what a concept - a group effort.

The only thing that needs to change is that Cloaking can still be done, but not afk. After 30 minutes of non-activity accounts should be logged out.

Quite a technical challenge though.

What reason is there for this, other than "waaaa I want to be a carebear in 0.0"?

Go back to highsec

seems like theres really the bunch of players who deem "being AFK" actually "playing the game"...
how can being"away from the keyboard" mean you are actually playing the game.

does that mean all the guys on this forum in this very moment who are not even logged in (not active in the game) are still playing the game too ??

so much for being AFK and playing the game. people complain about bots (who are actually playing, even tjhough they are not humans... still are doing something) and how they ruin the game, but being afk for 23/7 and cloaked is totally fine. weird.

what I also dont get is why those uber skilled cloaky pilots go on a forum rage about proposals for modules or ways to decloak inactive cloaky ships.
same argument can be made that is always brought up to the null bears in this exact same thread. adapt or die. but dont whine.
if you cannot react when d-scan shows they are coming for you or even stay aligned, then go back to highsec.
well if not even those skilled cloaky heroes cannot even adapt to probes that will only get you when you are stationary, then it has to be them most cary idea ever....

that this module and tactic would require teamwork and time and effort to get those cloakies, thus providing real content, is ignored.

oh and btw: the idea for diffrent cyn speeds for different ship classes is not bad. combine that with a mass limit on the total number of ships getting cynoed and you have something. so you either jump loads of smallish stuff, or a few bigger ones. your choice because the next cyno takes a while to light up... (spool timer as well) oh .. the large alliances can still do thier 300 fleet **** because they have the number of titans to do it. but smaller corps dont pose such a gigantic threat anyomore and dont have that mig advantage anymore over thecorporations that dont quiet have the same numbers but lack the titan.

is really the biggest joke of it all that you can basically only do real pvp when and if you have the ability to bridge your fleets over vast distances.
in some areas of space (so ive heard) roaming fleets are essentially dead. gatecamps are only to buy time to hotdrop. not to do actual gatecamping anymore. small pvp in the overall aspect has alsmost dminished.
what a waste of content....but thats another story

Not like CVA undocks without at least 3 to 1 odds, anyway.

Oh, and -1 for quoting the wrong person.

Zap- the only person I see coming close to forum raging is you. Some of you seem unable or unwilling to grasp the simple fact that a person that is AFK....wait for it...can't hurt you. At all. If they are AFK, the only impact they have on your operations is what you allow them to have.

i dont htink hes in rage. he is merely stating facts (at least the way i see it).
the difference between an afk cloaky and one that simply waits for his turn is what ? exactly. you never know. so how are you going to adapt ?

unless you have a constant "support squad" at the ready (which is of course needed and often ready but c´mon.. not 23/7...also sme systems you do ratting / indy stuff in are fairly remote (at least three jumps out) there´s no chance to tell.

i have the utmost respect for any player that does the "fake afk thingy" to simply dull the enemy up until the point he can strike.
but who really uses this kind of tactic ? either only the very masochistic or the very enthusiastic and dedicated people.

at least i can bump an afk hauler / miner and see if he´s really afk by provoking a reaction... but theres simply no way to interact with someone who´s afk, cloaked and not at all detectable...

so, I would vote , too, for : not necessarly broken, but not great mechanic.

also, the proposition made my some (and Zap) about the chance to detect at least afk cloakies simply got ignored. which wouldnt hurt the dedicated cloaker in any bit...

AFK cloakers do not make isk, or inject minerals into the market, or anything else. They also inherently accept the idea of risk because they're in low/null sec.

Not an issue related to the New Orders goals at all.

How does someone that is AFK extort ISK from the locals? I need to learn how to do that.