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Null Sec carebear ship spinners and their tears over High Sec

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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#201 - 2013-02-17 23:16:59 UTC
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
eve isn't irl, irl economies are not designed to provide interesting gameplay experiences

regional industry provides much better gameplay than the current model


but if you make null sec self sufficient then they will just camp their territory. whatever you do must keep high and null complimentary and interdependent or there won't be 'stuff' travelling inbetween and the possibilities therein.

if you make null self-sufficient you can make areas of null no longer self-sufficient through warfare


so the side that's slightly bigger to start with eventually snowballs and crushes everyone? because there are no hard limitations on what they can produce and every conquest increases their production capacity.

one big happy alliance Big smile



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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2013-02-17 23:20:17 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ITT: EVE-UNI and NPC corp posters think BPCs valued by players at 900M a piece are a regular and plentiful source of income


Far more regular than it is in high sec. Unlikely you'll find anything even close to that in high sec nearly as often... Heck, there are some low-sec, null-sec, wormhole anomaly runners who can give some pretty fair shares of the cash that I'm planning at looking at once I'm done with UNI. If you're having trouble getting income in null and low sec over high sec, that's your problem, not anyone elses. I'm sorry, but even the most basic of newbies quickly find out that null sec and low sec is where you go if you want to accelerate your personal cash flow, its just a matter of surviving.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#203 - 2013-02-17 23:20:35 UTC
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
no i'm suggesting that since Jita is quite far away from sov the trade would start to move outward to the border regions (of high) as the mountain does not move to Mohammed.

And? So what? We get a few different trade hubs on the fringes of high-sec instead of the more central ones we have now. Those trade hubs would still be in high-sec. Jita seems to be in a prime location anyway, I see JFs jumping out from undock all the time. Access to low- and null-sec, how many exit routes (for traditional gate-bound freight), neighboring mission hubs, systems with plenty of low-ends (many asteroid belts), etc... A lot of things contribute to the location of a hub, and I probably haven't even scratched the surface.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#204 - 2013-02-17 23:24:55 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:

so the side that's slightly bigger to start with eventually snowballs and crushes everyone? because there are no hard limitations on what they can produce and every conquest increases their production capacity.

one big happy alliance Big smile

this sort of self-evidently dumb comment is why npc alts are strictly used as a foil rather than a source of legitimate thought on 0.0

you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about


you pay 15% tax for a brandname and you just lost that one by default.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2013-02-17 23:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Aren Madigan wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ITT: EVE-UNI and NPC corp posters think BPCs valued by players at 900M a piece are a regular and plentiful source of income
I'm sorry, but even the most basic of newbies quickly find out that null sec and low sec is where you go if you want to accelerate your personal cash flow, its just a matter of surviving.

You mean the EVE-UNI leaders don't teach you javascripting market orders like they do?
"most basic of newbies" sums up the '900M bpcs as regular income source' assertion
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#206 - 2013-02-17 23:26:56 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
no i'm suggesting that since Jita is quite far away from sov the trade would start to move outward to the border regions (of high) as the mountain does not move to Mohammed.

And? So what? We get a few different trade hubs on the fringes of high-sec instead of the more central ones we have now. Those trade hubs would still be in high-sec. Jita seems to be in a prime location anyway, I see JFs jumping out from undock all the time. Access to low- and null-sec, how many exit routes (for traditional gate-bound freight), neighboring mission hubs, systems with plenty of low-ends (many asteroid belts), etc... A lot of things contribute to the location of a hub, and I probably haven't even scratched the surface.


Agents also. But jita is super liquid compared tot he other markets. I'm not sure if you've tried trading in dodi but there just isn't the same churn by a long way.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#207 - 2013-02-17 23:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
Agents also. But jita is super liquid compared tot he other markets. I'm not sure if you've tried trading in dodi but there just isn't the same churn by a long way.

I don't really have a head for trading but I do know I get my **** cheaper in Jita than Dodi, so I only use Dodi when we fail gate camping and need some sebos yesterday.

E: Which I suppose just reinforces your point. I don't see that changing if most of the manufacturing moves to null.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#208 - 2013-02-17 23:37:25 UTC
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
you pay 15% tax for a brandname and you just lost that one by default.

as a guidance systems lord and technetium baron i prefer to call them 'titles' rather than 'brand names'

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#209 - 2013-02-17 23:39:12 UTC
Clueless knobs like this are why we took the CSM and are never giving it back.

Three cheers to the brave souls who suffer on the CSM to keep the rest of us safe from idiots with opinions.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2013-02-17 23:41:31 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ITT: EVE-UNI and NPC corp posters think BPCs valued by players at 900M a piece are a regular and plentiful source of income
I'm sorry, but even the most basic of newbies quickly find out that null sec and low sec is where you go if you want to accelerate your personal cash flow, its just a matter of surviving.

You mean the EVE-UNI leaders don't teach you javascripting market orders like they do?
"most basic of newbies" sums up the '900M bpcs as regular income source' assertion


mm.. I love how people resort to insults when they are backed into a corner. And how they jump to conclusions. Doesn't matter if its regular or not. Its a lot more common in null sec and low sec, and there ARE some high value items that are fairly regular far beyond high sec. Or what, do you think 900M bpcs SHOULD be regular? Oh wait, if they were that common, they wouldn't be worth 900M. (and before you do the predictable thing and say I'm changing my story, point at where it was said that it was a regular thing rather than just being more common in those areas)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#211 - 2013-02-17 23:43:12 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:

mm.. I love how people resort to insults when they are backed into a corner. And how they jump to conclusions.

this coming out of eve uni is hilarious

THE DEVS ARE ALL CORRUPT FOR TAKING MY BOTTING ISK

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Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#212 - 2013-02-17 23:43:34 UTC
serious business.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2013-02-17 23:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Does Kelduum hoard the botting knowledge for himself and his inner circle and propagate myths among his pupils? This thread is suggesting... yes.

Aren Madigan wrote:
mm.. I love how people resort to insults when they are backed into a corner. And how they jump to conclusions. Doesn't matter if its regular or not.

"Doesn't matter how regular the income is" when discussing individual income of sec-statuses.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#214 - 2013-02-17 23:50:26 UTC
instead of the obviously wrong thing that would at least be relevant, i said a pointless and meaningless thing that you foolishly assumed had anything to do with anything

advantage: eve uni

suck it nullseccers, botting forever

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2013-02-17 23:53:02 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

"Doesn't matter how regular the income is" when discussing individual income of sec-statuses.

While ignoring the rest of the sentence that offers the full context.

Cry some more.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2013-02-18 00:01:04 UTC
The full context of your laughable argument that 'regularity of income' shouldn't be factored into discussions of regional income?
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#217 - 2013-02-18 00:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ankles McGlashan
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Quite the opposite. The bigger an alliance is, the more ships it consumes, the greater number of industrial targets it would have to present to other alliances to feed its war machine. As opposed to now where it can import supplies indefinitely until the pilots no longer have the will to join fleets.


the larger alliance now has a greater capacity to feed that demand though and since you are gaining slots and your opponent is getting locked out from slots your expansion is sustainable and his campaign is not.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2013-02-18 00:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aren Madigan
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
The full context of your laughable argument that 'regularity of income' shouldn't be factored into discussions of regional income?


The full context was it doesn't matter as long as its more common in null sec and low sec. Because guess what? That means the income for the activities that have a chance at stuff like that. Which breaks your whole argument that high sec is more rewarding. A few words change the whole meaning of the sentence, but you cling on the partial meaning that suits your needs because you can't argue the full meaning.
Josef Djugashvilis
#219 - 2013-02-18 00:08:59 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Clueless knobs like this are why we took the CSM and are never giving it back.

Three cheers to the brave souls who suffer on the CSM to keep the rest of us safe from idiots with opinions.



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ISD LackOfFaith
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ISD Alliance
#220 - 2013-02-18 00:09:57 UTC
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