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Null Sec carebear ship spinners and their tears over High Sec

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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-02-17 20:36:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I find them useful as filler for threads I've claimed and the meltdowns i trigger (like this thread) are useful platforms to launch educational reforms on eve-gd


That is cute.

All you blue'd up alliances now fighting the good fight against high sec....


Since I want to see hi-sec radically buffed, I trust I will have your vote next month?


You will not have my votes.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#162 - 2013-02-17 20:37:43 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I find them useful as filler for threads I've claimed and the meltdowns i trigger (like this thread) are useful platforms to launch educational reforms on eve-gd


That is cute.

All you blue'd up alliances now fighting the good fight against high sec....


Since I want to see hi-sec radically buffed, I trust I will have your vote next month?


You will not have my votes.


Whatever will I do without your votes, obvious troll alt?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2013-02-17 20:42:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I find them useful as filler for threads I've claimed and the meltdowns i trigger (like this thread) are useful platforms to launch educational reforms on eve-gd


That is cute.

All you blue'd up alliances now fighting the good fight against high sec....


Since I want to see hi-sec radically buffed, I trust I will have your vote next month?


I went back and read your highsec manifesto.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049
Its interesting how much of it CCP has already implemented.
-wardec revamp
-bounty revamp
-transferable killrights
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-02-17 20:47:39 UTC
I'll be the Official Grand Professor Admiral AntiGoon for a free trip to Iceland.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#165 - 2013-02-17 20:48:19 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I find them useful as filler for threads I've claimed and the meltdowns i trigger (like this thread) are useful platforms to launch educational reforms on eve-gd


That is cute.

All you blue'd up alliances now fighting the good fight against high sec....


Since I want to see hi-sec radically buffed, I trust I will have your vote next month?


I went back and read your highsec manifesto.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049
Its interesting how much of it CCP has already implemented.
-wardec revamp
-bounty revamp
-transferable killrights




I also played my junior understudy part in the insurance nerf, the loot mineral nerf and the drone loot rebalance, as long as we're counting trophies.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#166 - 2013-02-17 20:49:01 UTC
Hi.

A couple of posts have been removed, please try to avoid trolling, thankyou!

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-02-17 20:51:58 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nerfing highsec mission income while buffing nullsec income would be good for the game as a whole.
Removing local would not.


it really doesn't matter where ISK is being generated as long as demand in the economy is healthy. High sec being profitable generates a large part of that demand through ever greater e-peen fits for faster mission F1ing. anything that reduces demand will impact anyone earning ISK through LP or loot drops as they have to monetise that income through the market.

the best way to stimulate that demand and increase nullsec income is to scan them down and gank their balls off.

The EVE economy is fueled by ships and modules being blown up and requiring replacement, and nullsec consumes more ships, and therefore has greater economic relevance, then all other regions combined. It's no exaggeration to say that highsec's main reason for existence is to cheaply take raw materials and turn them into finished product for nullsec wars. The best way of upping ship consumption in other regions would be to remove NPC corps and fix wardec evasion and corphopping, while fixing industry around each secstatus' resource consumption needs.


Or acknowledge that regional manufacturing is as completely irrelevant in eve as it is IRL. You might as well complain about China having all the cheap labour. If you can buy it in jita and put it on a freighter then that';s what you should be doing. And you should be shipping materials and items unique to your region up to high to pay for them.

and restricting access to high sec rich resources like tritanium is neccesary because if you can mine it in high sec quantities in null then there is just no exposure to risk or limit to the blob. putting the resources people need in their backyards is hardly an incentive for them to undock and move their space buns.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2013-02-17 20:56:08 UTC
Ankles McGlashan wrote:


Or acknowledge that regional manufacturing is as completely irrelevant in eve as it is IRL.
lol
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#169 - 2013-02-17 20:58:09 UTC
Tens of thousands of people working together to achieve a single goal: Completely unfair.

One man mining in a safe zone controlling the game of thousands of players: A-OK.

PS: Why is it good game design to limit manufacturing to a single area?
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#170 - 2013-02-17 20:59:00 UTC
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-02-17 21:00:38 UTC
Another "Eve should be designed around maximizing galactic GDP" idiot.

How's your mac econ 101 going? Do you know everything about everything yet, or are they saving some for the last class of the year?

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#172 - 2013-02-17 21:11:55 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...


Since the OP was an open and unashamed troll, it's rather disngenuous to wait until page 9 before intervening.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-02-17 21:14:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...


Since the OP was an open and unashamed troll, it's rather disngenuous to wait until page 9 before intervening.


So Im a troll becasue some dont like my message?

Folks, do you want to elect someone like Malcannis who's only reaction to opinions he doesnt share is "Troll"?

This is not the type of action of a problem solver and statesman.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#174 - 2013-02-17 21:18:15 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Tens of thousands of people working together to achieve a single goal: Completely unfair.

One man mining in a safe zone controlling the game of thousands of players: A-OK.

PS: Why is it good game design to limit manufacturing to a single area?


Because otherwise there's no cause for either region to interact. you have to make people move around for resources or there wouldn't be trade between regions. There would be no risk without the need for logistics as you could farm and stockpile massive quantities of resources and never move. it would make null remarkably like high sec without CONCORD or factions.

I mean fair play to people who would like that and pop out for the occasional titan disco blob but that sounds pretty dull to me.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#175 - 2013-02-17 21:18:33 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...

the entire thread is a troll, designed to use you to do exactly what you're doing

it's openly trolling and using reports to have isd demand it be treated as a legitimate point of view

you're being played, if you were deleting overt trolling there'd be no sariah kion posts in this thread

plus, my offer regarding the csm was 100% sincere i have a great interest in finding a useful empty suit to "represent" highsec

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#176 - 2013-02-17 21:20:05 UTC
A funny thought occurred to me a few minutes ago; what if CCP actually has the ISK well balanced? I mean they have lots of data and numbers and can see whats going where. If the "ISK faucets" and "easy lev 4 ISK" are off the table then what is left?

What changes would benefit both null and high and make Eve a more interactive and engaging place?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#177 - 2013-02-17 21:24:07 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...

the entire thread is a troll, designed to use you to do exactly what you're doing

it's openly trolling and using reports to have isd demand it be treated as a legitimate point of view

you're being played, if you were deleting overt trolling there'd be no sariah kion posts in this thread

plus, my offer regarding the csm was 100% sincere i have a great interest in finding a useful empty suit to "represent" highsec


Of course its easy to try and deflect and launch ad hominems like this. I would consider the source of this attack, his alliance, and his posting history and come to the conclusion that this tactic has been used numerous times to attack the posters of ideas that fly in the face of their VERY partisan ideas and motives.

The usual suspects have been trying to take this thread off the tracks since the beginning because the message and idea hits very close to the truth.

I thank the moderators for not giving into these tactics and allowing the discourse to continue.



[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#178 - 2013-02-17 21:28:06 UTC
basically to treat sariah kion's points as worthy of debate is like "why don't we have intelligent design discussed in biology classes, we must treat legitimate points of view and hilarious nonsense exactly the same"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2013-02-17 21:31:58 UTC
debate was ended with my first reply, the last 9 pages have been sort of a victory lap
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#180 - 2013-02-17 21:35:30 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Folks,

I've had to clean up some of the more overt trolling and blatantly offensive posts.

I know this whole topic is emotive and in the right method its worthy of debate, but continuing to troll and lambast instead of debating nicely will result in reprimands being handed out.

Please, won't somebody thing of the Reprimands ? Smile

Seriously though, please be nice ...


Since the OP was an open and unashamed troll, it's rather disngenuous to wait until page 9 before intervening.


So Im a troll becasue some dont like my message?

Folks, do you want to elect someone like Malcannis who's only reaction to opinions he doesnt share is "Troll"?

This is not the type of action of a problem solver and statesman.


But sweetheart, I love your message. It strongly reinforces my own.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016