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Attention all miners - if you are ganked, its YOUR OWN FAULT.
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Frozen Eddie Johnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#201 - 2011-10-26 20:37:19 UTC
Let me get this straight...you suggest that high sec miners watch their overview like a hawk and scan the D-scan every 2 seconds, to make about as much isk per hour as running level 1 missions in a destroyer. Mining needs to be more active, but at the current ass pay rate, suggesting you focus 110% on it and still only have 1.5 seconds to react to a gank is ridiculous.
HydroVolcano
Vard School of Cryo Cuisine
#202 - 2011-10-26 20:41:37 UTC
countertroll wrote:

I know why you didn't take the challenge. You thought it through and realized that you're talking out of your ass.

The reason aligning and d-scan is useless is that a cloaked arazu with mwd and plates will simply put itself into your path of alignment, synchronize his timing with hyperspatial rig equipped ganking ships at 15au (who are already aligned and moving), decloak, and ram you while the gankers are in warp. As soon as they hit the grid, you get locked and popped. There are many many many possible variations on this. Throw in mining ships and industrials for some sneaky variations. It doesn't matter how much attention your paying.



why must you insist on ganking in highsec? real men mine in lowsec, and don't cry because concord was too slow to take out their aggressors. perhaps you should rethink your challenge, because to be honest there's nothing challenging about it.

for the record I am not an alt. post on the fourms with your main, countertroll, I'd love to meet it.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#203 - 2011-10-26 20:48:37 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
If I was forced to mine the way the OP describes, I wouldn't do it.


The great thing is, you're not forced to mine that way at all!! Cool It was only a suggestion for those that seem to think mining in highsec is the only thing they can tolerate, and expect others to simply leave them alone, rather than finding alternatives, as you have aptly done.

You are one of the many miners who have taken a positive attitude and learned to enjoy the game as it is, while you wait patiently for them to fix the mechanics.

I applaud your sensibility, and wish other miners would take this advice into consideration. You exemplify the kind of attitude I'm hoping other miners adopt - and for you it has clearly paid off.

Nobody here has to make mining excruciating. It certainly will be though if you insist on choosing the most dangerous areas to mine in, refuse to take the necessary precautions, and expect everyone else to also refuse to have fun because you arent.

Listen to Ana everyone, she clearly gets it.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#204 - 2011-10-26 20:59:44 UTC
Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:
Let me get this straight...you suggest that high sec miners watch their overview like a hawk and scan the D-scan every 2 seconds, to make about as much isk per hour as running level 1 missions in a destroyer. Mining needs to be more active, but at the current ass pay rate, suggesting you focus 110% on it and still only have 1.5 seconds to react to a gank is ridiculous.



You are precisely correct - this is why I've suggested not mining in highsec. If you insist - than yes, you must spam your d-scan if you want to be safe. If you are unhappy with the payout, again, move to low or nullsec. It will also result in much fewer ganks.

Arguing that mining is boring is simply an indicator that you are refusing to adopt a new playstyle, yet insist that everyone else change their playstyle so you can do whatever you want with full immunity.

I think we all agree that mining is boring. We all want it fixed, it should demand more focus, and provide more enjoyment than it does.

I'm simply suggesting some ways to eliminate the risks that have everyone so terrified and furious.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
countertroll
Doomheim
#205 - 2011-10-26 21:04:13 UTC
HydroVolcano wrote:
countertroll wrote:

I know why you didn't take the challenge. You thought it through and realized that you're talking out of your ass.

The reason aligning and d-scan is useless is that a cloaked arazu with mwd and plates will simply put itself into your path of alignment, synchronize his timing with hyperspatial rig equipped ganking ships at 15au (who are already aligned and moving), decloak, and ram you while the gankers are in warp. As soon as they hit the grid, you get locked and popped. There are many many many possible variations on this. Throw in mining ships and industrials for some sneaky variations. It doesn't matter how much attention your paying.



why must you insist on ganking in highsec? real men mine in lowsec, and don't cry because concord was too slow to take out their aggressors. perhaps you should rethink your challenge, because to be honest there's nothing challenging about it.

for the record I am not an alt. post on the fourms with your main, countertroll, I'd love to meet it.

LOL. Are YOU going to take the challenge? Its in hisec because it draws more gankers. Those pesky "pirates" hate going out into low sec and null sec where the real men are. You want to meet my main? Come to NOL-M9 on Saturday and post "I want to fight real men" in local. I'll identify myself while I'm podding you.

Where oh where is the OP's response? Just admit it: your trolling got counter trolled.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#206 - 2011-10-26 21:16:33 UTC
countertroll wrote:

Where oh where is the OP's response? Just admit it: your trolling got counter trolled.


My response is this - real men grow up eventually and learn to enjoy the game in one form or another without crying all the time because the rest of the players in the game won't cater to your extremely narrow-minded playstyle.

Real men react to threats by adapting, not by repeating past mistakes and ignoring advice. Real mind find solutions instead of complaining about problems.

Real men find the game relaxing and fun, or they find another past time.

There is nothing healthy about treating a game as a compulsory activity.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
The Apostle
Doomheim
#207 - 2011-10-26 21:19:53 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:
Let me get this straight...you suggest that high sec miners watch their overview like a hawk and scan the D-scan every 2 seconds, to make about as much isk per hour as running level 1 missions in a destroyer. Mining needs to be more active, but at the current ass pay rate, suggesting you focus 110% on it and still only have 1.5 seconds to react to a gank is ridiculous.



You are precisely correct - this is why I've suggested not mining in highsec. If you insist - than yes, you must spam your d-scan if you want to be safe. If you are unhappy with the payout, again, move to low or nullsec. It will also result in much fewer ganks.

Arguing that mining is boring is simply an indicator that you are refusing to adopt a new playstyle, yet insist that everyone else change their playstyle so you can do whatever you want with full immunity.

I think we all agree that mining is boring. We all want it fixed, it should demand more focus, and provide more enjoyment than it does.

I'm simply suggesting some ways to eliminate the risks that have everyone so terrified and furious.

I think you'll find that "terrified" is not the right word. Can't be bothered with it is more like it. Highsec mining is a semi-passive income stream for casual players. It is not big money but runs risk higher than flying in WH atm. It completely undermines the gameplay for a large portion of the Eve playerbase and it's being done by a minority.

And YOU are supporting it.

From this I'm "furious" at all these self-professed experts who are giving advice which by and large is just plainly impractical. There have been several examples of how all this '75% speed, warp out" crap can be mitigated by a ganker.

The one thing not emphasised in all this drivel is that highsec miners get very, very little reward for their efforts while "enjoying" the risks akin to lowsec, even 0.0. No other highsec player has to endure this game mechanic.

My entire personal campaign is to get the mechanic changed, not keep making 2-bit excuses and sucking on the "sandbox" straw. You, like half the morons in this posts are making excuses for a bad game mechanic and this meek and mild acceptance as the victim will ensure that nothing will ever be done to fix it.

The perfect crime. The VICTIM did it.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#208 - 2011-10-26 21:24:04 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
From this I'm "furious" at all these self-professed experts who are giving advice which by and large is just plainly impractical.

It's only impractical if you buy into the idea that miners are entitled to gather resources afk.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#209 - 2011-10-26 21:25:19 UTC
the apostle's rallying cry is that highsec is not easy enough for bots

brilliant

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#210 - 2011-10-26 21:25:45 UTC
the least you could do is upgrade your bots some, 0.0 ratting bots are a ***** to catch

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#211 - 2011-10-26 21:29:30 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the apostle's rallying cry is that highsec is not easy enough for bots

brilliant

Stop being a moron. If they're bots. Report them. It's a lame excuse for your own domain being so damned boring.

And where you at your keyboard the other day when I paid you a visit? Nope. Didn't have to be did you?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#212 - 2011-10-26 21:32:45 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
From this I'm "furious" at all these self-professed experts who are giving advice which by and large is just plainly impractical.

It's only impractical if you buy into the idea that miners are entitled to gather resources afk.

Weren't you a proponent of the fact that players CAN be AFK while denying resources?

It's always and forever a "sandbox" when it comes to YOUR style of play but not for others. It's getting kind of tedious hearing it preached without it being practised by those doing the preaching.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#213 - 2011-10-26 21:34:49 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
From this I'm "furious" at all these self-professed experts who are giving advice which by and large is just plainly impractical.

It's only impractical if you buy into the idea that miners are entitled to gather resources afk.

Weren't you a proponent of the fact that players CAN be AFK while denying resources?

It's always and forever a "sandbox" when it comes to YOUR style of play but not for others. It's getting kind of tedious hearing it preached without it being practised by those doing the preaching.


oh god not the afk cloaking whine again. If somebody is afk how are they denying anybody resources?
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#214 - 2011-10-26 21:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:
Let me get this straight...you suggest that high sec miners watch their overview like a hawk and scan the D-scan every 2 seconds, to make about as much isk per hour as running level 1 missions in a destroyer. Mining needs to be more active, but at the current ass pay rate, suggesting you focus 110% on it and still only have 1.5 seconds to react to a gank is ridiculous.


this (the thread) is what you call a troll

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:
Let me get this straight...you suggest that high sec miners watch their overview like a hawk and scan the D-scan every 2 seconds, to make about as much isk per hour as running level 1 missions in a destroyer. Mining needs to be more active, but at the current ass pay rate, suggesting you focus 110% on it and still only have 1.5 seconds to react to a gank is ridiculous.



You are precisely correct - this is why I've suggested not mining in highsec. If you insist - than yes, you must spam your d-scan if you want to be safe. If you are unhappy with the payout, again, move to low or nullsec. It will also result in much fewer ganks.


Or do as everyone I know does and mine in a system where noone is. There are a lot of systems you can go to and see all of 2 ppl the whole day

The Apostle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the apostle's rallying cry is that highsec is not easy enough for bots

brilliant

Stop being a moron. If they're bots. Report them. It's a lame excuse for your own domain being so damned boring.


He cant you done **** over fellow goons.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
The Apostle
Doomheim
#215 - 2011-10-26 21:44:17 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
From this I'm "furious" at all these self-professed experts who are giving advice which by and large is just plainly impractical.

It's only impractical if you buy into the idea that miners are entitled to gather resources afk.

Weren't you a proponent of the fact that players CAN be AFK while denying resources?

It's always and forever a "sandbox" when it comes to YOUR style of play but not for others. It's getting kind of tedious hearing it preached without it being practised by those doing the preaching.


oh god not the afk cloaking whine again. If somebody is afk how are they denying anybody resources?

Precisely. So how is someone "gathering resources" if they're afk?

Unless they're a bot, then report them.

But wait.... no... G**ns are NOT CCP POLICE yeah? So why keep raving that you're clearing out "bots" and everyone mining must be a bot?

It's NOT your problem G**n. Apparently.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#216 - 2011-10-26 21:44:42 UTC
Did that Idiot Hans really talk but Manhood playing a video game? AHHAHAHAH Big smile


OMG thats funny as hell + 10/10 tp your sir.. Bye the way does your mom know your on the computer?
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#217 - 2011-10-26 21:52:40 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


There is nothing healthy about treating a game as a compulsory activity.


Spamming dscan every few seconds is compulsory.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#218 - 2011-10-26 21:53:01 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:


i have said it before and i will say it again, all this highsec ganking is benefiting one group of people, the macro users in nul sec. no one else.

congrats goons, but i do expect it from you guys. you are at least are honest about it ruining the game for everyone else.


These tears.....I never thought I'd be so drawn to them......but I must admit......they are delicious.

I can see why this stuff is addictive.


What tears? All I am hearing is a whole lot of butthurt on both sides of the issue.

While I mildly agree with taking precautionary measures during mining ops, what I am seeing the OP say is this...

"It's your fault I raped you, you shouldn't have worn that dress and left the office after dusk."

Just a whole lot of self-justification for doing what is being done.

Carry on.
"If."
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#219 - 2011-10-26 21:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Nephilius wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:


i have said it before and i will say it again, all this highsec ganking is benefiting one group of people, the macro users in nul sec. no one else.

congrats goons, but i do expect it from you guys. you are at least are honest about it ruining the game for everyone else.


These tears.....I never thought I'd be so drawn to them......but I must admit......they are delicious.

I can see why this stuff is addictive.


What tears? All I am hearing is a whole lot of butthurt on both sides of the issue.

While I mildly agree with taking precautionary measures during mining ops, what I am seeing the OP say is this...

"It's your fault I raped you, you shouldn't have worn that dress and left the office after dusk."

Just a whole lot of self-justification for doing what is being done.

Carry on.

Actually its like the OP saying "its your fault you got raped by walking naked into a club in rapetown USA". Fully preventable.



EDIT: wow **** isn't censored on the new forums...

EDIT2: lol, ok it is, but raped isn't.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#220 - 2011-10-26 22:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
The Apostle wrote:

Precisely. So how is someone "gathering resources" if they're afk?

Unless they're a bot, then report them.

But wait.... no... G**ns are NOT CCP POLICE yeah? So why keep raving that you're clearing out "bots" and everyone mining must be a bot?

It's NOT your problem G**n. Apparently.

I can't speak for all Goons but I don't blow up miners in highsec to kill bots. I do it for the hilarious rage I get afterwards.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.