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afk mining and botting filth can't be asked to make choices in their fits

it is unsurprising, then, that these afk miners and botters are so opposed to putting mining ships in line with other ships

Vaerah pushing the "carebear dollar" myth again.

Notice the constant circle jerk, in a thread not started by miners nor read by miners.

wrong, i'm reading it.



mining barges are not fine, look at the skiff and procurer and tell me the volume they mine is "fine". those two ships are completely redundant. as it has been pointed out a hulk, with the lowest tank of all the exhumers, can be fit for max yield AND it can't be profitably ganked. that fact goes a long way to explaining why the skiff/procurer see such low usage and why they are redundant. as such, you simply cannot say that mining barges are fine as they are without being ignorant, a liar, or stupid.

ganking is a secondary issue here, the fact is that mining barges need another balance pass. the "roles" they fill are flawed, and the stats of the ships do not in any way convey a balance between ships..

i didn't deny the skiff wasn't better than before. i simply said it was still redundant, which is true.

congratulations you can use the skiff for something that isn't mining. except, it's a mining ship, and isn't useful for it's intended purpose.

also, i didn't say the hulk was ungankable. i simply pointed out that with a max yield fit it can't be ganked for profit.

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but, they really aren't. go and look at the numbers in the dev blog. skiff and procurer combined mine less than 5% of any given high sec ore.
know what puts an end to suicide gankers? not insulting their mother in local, and not mining in places frequented by suicide gankers. perhaps i'm the worlds luckiest miner but unless i've intentionally antagonised some one, i've never lost a mining ship to a random ganker who ganked me for either lulz, profit, or out of boredom.

except, it is true. it has been covered. a poster from bat country confirmed that roughly 16k ehp is where it stops being profitable to gank an exhumer. guess how much my max yield hulk has in ehp? over 16k ehp. i don't even know the first thing about ship fittings for combat situations and even i can manage to fit a hulk to not be profitable to gank, bonus points because i don't even have any resist holes in my shields (double bonus points because i still have a survey scanner too!). you can claim it isn't true all you want; the problem is, it is true.

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For a frequent suicide ganker you sure don't know how its done very well and are emphatically defending the status quo. I think we have an AFK-miner sleeper agent here. You claim mining ships are still getting ganked even with a tank, read point 1 of the op.

Yea. I am an AFK bot miner with a -8 security status. Nice detective work Sherlock.



I read it. Doesn't make it true. You can't reference yourself as proof of your own arguments. That's just daft.

well yes suicide ganks. because other than suicide ganks, tank and ehp is irrelevant.
except, they do, as i proved with my screenshot and a source stating the minimum ehp required. if you'd like to provide evidence to the contrary other than saying "you're wrong because i said so" feel free to do so. until then, it is true. also in addition, ccp stated that exhumer ganking is at a record low, which is evidence that the exhumers DO have sufficient tank.

i didn't say anything useful? well, if that's true why didn't you understand every word. i was speaking in your vernacular. (also i may have messed up the quotes slightly, but that's not really important)

feel free to link those killboards, i'm not searching for your proof for you.

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Clearly you didn't as I reference the CSM minutes and their dialogue between CCP as proof. Negative sec status isn't proof of being a suicide ganker, you can't use yourself as proof :smug:.