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James 315 - An Apology and an Appeal

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#401 - 2013-02-16 20:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:

*ahem*

SANDBOX.

Meaning multiple styles of play, including solo ones.


Sandbox means that you can try and play solo, it doesn't mean we have to let you.

Indeed. And being forced to interact is something that needs to change.


That's where we differ, I've played "solo" for at least half the time I've been playing Eve, I mission, I mine, I do industrial stuff. But even as a "solo" pilot I have an effect on everyone else who indulges in any of those activities, I compete for roids, I compete on the market, I sell mission loot and salvage to other players. The only solo part of what I do is that I fly by myself.

A truly solo Eve would mean that you couldn't use the market as it is today, all your ships and ammo would be produced by NPCs not players, NPCs would have a monopoly on buying ore and minerals etc, all in all a very boring game.

It's totally possible to play Eve as a "solo" pilot, but you have to recognise that you do in fact have an effect on other players, and they in turn can have an effect on you. It's not a single player game, which is why I play it, me vs the universe and everybody in it.

Outwitting an NPC is not satisfying, outwitting another player, be it in a straight up fight, manipulating their responses or just plain beating them in market games is satisfying.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#402 - 2013-02-16 20:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


^^^ yet more silly trolling.

Please stop.


You think he's a troll Josef? I'm starting to believe that myself. idk the question of Eve being a game for a wide variety of players is interesting. I think to bring more people in it would be good to have another mini-game or 2 and a few more career paths, and to make all career paths important and potential group roles. Or at least to have group roles that can be filled in fleet and corp by different play styles.

*edit: I guess CCP already has those things, great game that we have here. I hope it continues to ad options and resists taking any away.
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#403 - 2013-02-16 20:16:59 UTC
The more users think I'm trolling, the more cemented my views of the forum portion of the playerbase becomes.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#404 - 2013-02-16 20:18:19 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
The more users think I'm trolling, the more cemented my views of the forum portion of the playerbase becomes.

I have to say the more you post the less I care what you think.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#405 - 2013-02-16 20:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
The more users think I'm trolling, the more cemented my views of the forum portion of the playerbase becomes.


I wouldn't go so far as to say you're trolling, I would however say that you're posting in ignorance of what Eve truly is and that comes across as trolling to some.

To put it in context, this sums up Eve, and it was said very recently.

CCP Solomon wrote:
the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#406 - 2013-02-16 20:24:50 UTC
In Eve, the players are the content. And groups of players have different views of what Eve is.

There is no single definition of what this game is.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#407 - 2013-02-16 20:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
In Eve, the players are the content. And groups of players have different views of what Eve is.

There is no single definition of what this game is.


CCP define what Eve is, they provide the framework, the players provide the content, your personal opinion on what it is is precisely that, an opinion. Their game, their servers, their rules, their definition, if they wanted it to be a fluffy carebear friendly world, they'd have made it so, as it stands, they haven't, that speaks volumes about what they think Eve is.

CCP state that it's a harsh dark universe, where other people can and do reinforce that. What it is not is a game where you can safely ignore other players and hope they ignore you in return.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#408 - 2013-02-16 20:31:48 UTC
I disagree. I think there should be areas of New Eden where you can play your way without prowling dicks looking for more tears for a substandard blog.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#409 - 2013-02-16 20:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
You can disagree all you like, expect to get stomped on by the majority of us that play Eve precisely because it hasn't got safe areas in it. If we wanted a game where other players couldn't interfere in our game play, we wouldn't be playing Eve, there are plenty of other MMOs that allow that. Maybe you should rethink about why you play Eve, you seem unhappy with it, I'm sure that there are other space based games that already cater to how you want to play, and are already what you want Eve to become, they're over there ----->.

New customers are great for CCP, but not when they want to turn Eve into something it is not, CCP aren't going to change the game to suit you, they have tens of thousands of customers that like the game the way it is, some of whom have invested thousands of hours and significant currency in to it, they're not going to alienate those long standing players, who after all created most of the content for you, you have to change to suit the game.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#410 - 2013-02-16 20:39:20 UTC
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#411 - 2013-02-16 20:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.


Then do it. Gather some friends, go and carve yourself a slice of space, don't expect others to let you do without a fight though, they have already fought for it, why should they let you take it away from them without a fight.

Alternatively find an empty wormhole, it's about as close to nullsec as you'll find outside of nullsec.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#412 - 2013-02-16 20:48:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.


Then do it. Gather some friends, go and carve yourself a slice of space, don't expect others to let you do without a fight though, they have already fought for it, why should they let you take it away from them without a fight.

Alternatively find an empty wormhole, it's about as close to nullsec as you'll find outside of nullsec.

That's been my primary method of searching thus far, and no luck so far.

And that's even more thrilling because you never know if it's empty or not.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#413 - 2013-02-16 20:59:27 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.


The null seccers don't actually ask for much, they want more access to indy slots is about the only thing I hear them ask for. They do hate change for the sake of change and players who have never really been out of highsec asking for game changes that will make it easier to get into null. But honestly null is not in a "hole" and they are not all blue to one another.

As for mining mercoxit; hell yeah, thats an awesome goal. Learn evasion, learn to mine in lowsec, contact the CVA or go exploring the outer ring and have at it. Go in with some other guys and buy an ORCA sneak it into null, and mine fill it up. That would be a blast.
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#414 - 2013-02-16 21:05:04 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.


The null seccers don't actually ask for much, they want more access to indy slots is about the only thing I hear them ask for. They do hate change for the sake of change and players who have never really been out of highsec asking for game changes that will make it easier to get into null. But honestly null is not in a "hole" and they are not all blue to one another.

As for mining mercoxit; hell yeah, thats an awesome goal. Learn evasion, learn to mine in lowsec, contact the CVA or go exploring the outer ring and have at it. Go in with some other guys and buy an ORCA sneak it into null, and mine fill it up. That would be a blast.

Before I even consider moving anything to mine it, first I have to find it, which is proving a challenge.

I was under the impression that no matter where you are; null, WH, wherever, Merc has to be scanned down, yes?
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#415 - 2013-02-16 21:30:25 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:

Before I even consider moving anything to mine it, first I have to find it, which is proving a challenge.

I was under the impression that no matter where you are; null, WH, wherever, Merc has to be scanned down, yes?


Oh I have no idea. So hop in a covops and go find some. Have you looked on the Evelopedia aout it?

Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#416 - 2013-02-16 22:06:07 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:

Before I even consider moving anything to mine it, first I have to find it, which is proving a challenge.

I was under the impression that no matter where you are; null, WH, wherever, Merc has to be scanned down, yes?


Oh I have no idea. So hop in a covops and go find some. Have you looked on the Evelopedia aout it?


Yes, I have researched it to varying degrees. Only available in null and wormholes, and still, needs to be scanned down. And even then it's quite rare.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2013-02-16 22:09:12 UTC
wat is this and why do i care
also, wtfomgbbq wall of text!
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#418 - 2013-02-16 22:20:01 UTC
Nothing much. Just a brainwashed convert.

People like those are the reason carebear is a derogatory term in this community. Pathetic.
Tesal
#419 - 2013-02-16 22:25:47 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Nothing much. Just a brainwashed convert.

People like those are the reason carebear is a derogatory term in this community. Pathetic.


Are you coming out as a carebear?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#420 - 2013-02-16 22:31:58 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
I will give the New Order this; Eve is quite imbalanced at the moment.

But they are going about rebalancing it the wrong way.

The nullsec players have dug themselves into this pit they're in, and they're blaming EVERYONE but themselves.

I want to go to null. I want to lay eyes and lasers upon that ever-elusive Mercoxit. And I know every time I go searching, I'm putting a round in the chamber and giving it a spin.

But that's NOT highsec's fault.


The null seccers don't actually ask for much, they want more access to indy slots is about the only thing I hear them ask for. They do hate change for the sake of change and players who have never really been out of highsec asking for game changes that will make it easier to get into null. But honestly null is not in a "hole" and they are not all blue to one another.

As for mining mercoxit; hell yeah, thats an awesome goal. Learn evasion, learn to mine in lowsec, contact the CVA or go exploring the outer ring and have at it. Go in with some other guys and buy an ORCA sneak it into null, and mine fill it up. That would be a blast.

Before I even consider moving anything to mine it, first I have to find it, which is proving a challenge.

I was under the impression that no matter where you are; null, WH, wherever, Merc has to be scanned down, yes?


Mercoxit is a belt ore eg: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ZDYA-G

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