EVE General Discussion

So you are saying that on top of all the work the community puts into the game, every player must also treat every whine post with nothing but the utmost politeness, even when posted on the designated "posts that don't fit on any of the productive forums" forum? Truly a reasonable demand. Perhaps you'd like someone to go to his house and give him some guidance in person while they're at it? Please.

Wrong. One of the earliest and most important lessons I learned in this game was to take the hits and keep going. That moment of decision, that first moment when you get butthurt over something bad happening and react either one way or the other, is what differentiates people like the OP's friends and people who are still around seven years later telling people to HTFU.

Moreover; do you want somebody to have a false expectation of the game? What is kinder - letting them know up-front what to expect or trying to sugar coat and protect them until they've invested their time, money and energy into something that is not suited to them?

Be honest. Let people understand what the core of the game encapsulates. Don't try and deceive them in a bid for subscribers.

Maybe my advantage when I started 3 years ago was that I had never played an MMO before. Never. So, anything that 'happened' to me, getting podded within my first 15 seconds in Low Sec, getting exploded when I took my stuff back out of a can , and all the accompanying confusion, just made me more determined to find out just what the heck was going on.

I got some help on the Rookie channel, asked people in Local what had happened, and in general sought advice about what to do. Even my first hard earned Retriever was exploded and I had to grind for a week or so in a cruiser again to afford another one. I still didn't stop playing. I wanted to do well in EVE, and I just plunged forward and learned how to logistically and strategically protect myself, especially as I was a hunted miner.

I don't know what advice to give OP really, and I'm not even sure it's a legitimate posting as 98% of GD is Forum Alt sputum. I guess the only difference in my experience is when I was new I never had to deal with the idiotic extortion tactics of The New Order. I do consider that as griefing nowbies, and just a lazy way to make ISK for bored NullSec Alts. But really it's not hard to avoid them.

I guess I'm curious as to why one would whine on the Forum instead of trying to ask for information on just how to get through the new player phase.

To be honest, I'd gladly do fine without you either.

Not really surprising, Eve is not very forgiving for new players.

I'd rather not EVE go the way of Star Trek Online either.

EVE has been growing by being the way it is for a decade. Why should it suddenly start failing now?

Conversely, games that try and wrap players in cotton candy and only let the players play with each other in Approved™ ways have been failing or going F2P to survive for a decade. Why should they suddenly start succeeding now?

It's by definition not griefing you know. Also, I'm pretty sure you're just jelly you didn't think of an easy humorous way to make ISK without grinding.

Oh don't even start.

It's just as sanctioned as your highsec POS and multiple "I quit" forum meltdowns :smug:.

E: To the OP I will give you and your friends newbie frigates if you promise to swear off mining forever. Mining is the true hazard to newbies with its monotonous game play and warped mechanics.

Agreed, but at the same time I agree with the OP as well. Some of these "high sec heroes" are really nothing but retards with no other purpose than to make newbies life miserable. Lacking any and all skills (and balls) to actually try and do the same with someone who would actually push back.

CCP needs to work more on preventing clear cases of grieving like this, and at the same time try to maintain the ruthless nature of the game otherwise. There should really be never a single new player driven out of the game for the sole reason "because I can".

In short, I see each and every single newbie in the game as a more valuable member of the EVE community, than the said high sec heroes. At least the newbies, if given the opportunity, can eventually become somebodies who actually do something.