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Jita bots. Why are they tolerated?
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-16 03:46:12 UTC
I know I leave my tab on something other than local everytime I have to go to Jita, but it seems that local is being spammed by bots 24/7 and nothing is done about it.

Sure some people might actually do the keystrokes to post the last message the said, but really now... Do you think they really do that for hours on end without some type of a programatic assistance?

Is it because they tend to not have a true financial gain compared to other botters? I mean it takes a sucker to fall for most of their scams before they make money, but obviously they do it all the time regardless of the profit.

So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-16 03:53:32 UTC
I've wondered about this as well. It could at the very least free up resources at CCP's end.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2013-02-16 03:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?

Because people are not reporting them?

Because there is a backlog of reports to process?

Because CCP doesn't want to ban EULA abiding customers by mistake?

Because thorough investigations take time?

Because there is insufficient evidence against some of them?

Because that bot annoying you isn't as high a priority as other more damaging bots?

Because CCP is trying to get to the root of the problem, rather than just hacking at the leaves?

Did you really expect an answer from CCP?
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-16 04:02:29 UTC
There needs to be an account block in addition to the individual block.

Please implement immediately CCP.

kaithxbai

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Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#5 - 2013-02-16 04:03:17 UTC
There are few rules in Eve, one of them is Jita local is always spam and should be ignored.

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iskflakes
#6 - 2013-02-16 04:06:00 UTC
Recently Chribba did a great analysis of the chat patterns of various spammers in jita local (http://eve-files.com/chribba/jita2012/). Looking at some of the graphs you can see some of the worst offenders suddenly fall silent, indicating they either got bored or got banned. If they got banned then this is a sign CCP is able to detect and get rid of some of them, though to my knowledge they've never released any figures about how many chat bots there are. My guess is chat bots are a lower priority for CCP because they don't add or remove anything from the economy, unlike mission or mining bots which directly devalue the work done by a real player.

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Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#7 - 2013-02-16 04:08:05 UTC
Has anyone tried to talk to these Jita "bots"? the majority are actually being used and will answer you Lol

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Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-16 04:19:04 UTC
Because of Falcon....Or because of money, either or...

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Orlacc
#9 - 2013-02-16 04:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
They just banned one and look at the hubub it caused!


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GoonWaffe
#10 - 2013-02-16 04:51:10 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
They just banned one and look at the hubub it caused!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=204531&find=unread

I see your reference and give you +1 like

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-16 05:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aren Madigan
Having just moved my Jita alt in recently.... god the spammers are annoying... although how would one tell that they are bots for sure? Could just as easily be some obsessive copy paste freak... guess it'd be worth timing on a stop watch sometime or something. Either way, should be wondering why spamming isn't against the rules :/
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#12 - 2013-02-16 07:45:23 UTC
Mute jita local - problem solved Twisted

Also have concorde take pot-shots at lingerers outside 4-4 cnap, say after 1 minute of no direction change you start taking fire.

I don't bother blocking anyone in jita, it's like trying to dry an ocean with a roll of kitchen towel - futile, I just minimise local window until I've done what I need to to and get the helloutadodge
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-16 08:06:35 UTC
CCP has limited resources - would you want some RMTer or mission bot to go free because Sreegs was busy banning a spambot?

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#14 - 2013-02-16 08:12:02 UTC
[quote=Captain Tardbar
So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?[/quote]

Have a look ay any given time what percentage of players online are sitting in Jita.
It usually runs 4.6-5.1%.

Now, a lot of them are legit players, minding their own business.
But a substantial chunk are spammers and botters.

Why does CCP tolerate them?
Same reason they tolerate suicide gankers, or the goons.

We are talking alot of accounts, and CCP is loathe to ban those accounts.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-16 08:13:01 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
CCP has limited resources - would you want some RMTer or mission bot to go free because Sreegs was busy banning a spambot?


Automated muting for constantly reposting the same general content over and over couldn't hurt. Never got why MMOs have so a problem with making use of such things.
Whitehound
#16 - 2013-02-16 09:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Most of the spammers use a simple trick, which is part of the chat: CTRL-UP, then ENTER. It repeats the last message.

I doubt most of them are real bots when they only need to do this every few minutes while they are watching their 0.01 ISK price wars.

Technically speaking can any player spam the chat just as often and as fast as most of the spammers and CCP is more interested in those botters, who gain a real advantage in terms of speed.

Why do you even look at local when you are in Jita?! Is it because you want to have a chat with 2300 players? Lol

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-16 09:21:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Most of the spammers use a simple trick, which is part of the chat: CTRL-UP, then ENTER. It repeats the last message.

I doubt most of them are real bots when they only need to do this every few minutes while they are watching their 0.01 ISK price wars.

Technically speaking can any player spam the chat just as often and as fast as most of the spammers and CCP is more interested in those botters, who gain a real advantage in terms of speed.

Why do you even look at local when you are in Jita?! Is it because you want to have a chat with 2300 players? Lol



Lol.

Just run a program that pushes those buttons for you every 30 seconds.

Pretty much botting.
flakeys
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-16 09:21:49 UTC
Chribba has a nice chart somewhere about that , google it ....

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#19 - 2013-02-16 10:44:08 UTC
Who owns those bots?

There's your answer...
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#20 - 2013-02-16 10:53:02 UTC
Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?

In a system with thousands of players reading you, that's still amazingly high. And at least it would keep the flood under control.

Remember than flooding is basically a vicious circle, the more people do it, the more they feel compelled to do it to remain visible enough. And that's exponential.

Putting a hard cap on how many messages an account can write in Jita will relieve the server. Preventing trial account from talking in Jita would also force very determined spammer to use multiple accounts, so at least they would be paying CCP to handle the excessive server load they generate. Seems legit to me.

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