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Dreadnaught Balancing
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TheLegion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-15 21:59:53 UTC
Is there any hope in the future that dreadnaughts will be even remotely near balanced? Moros/rev do double the volley damage of nag, and phoenix is just a brick that can't anything unless it's a station webbed and painted.

like remove the 2 citadel torps from the nag and just let it use projectiles.

And improve the explosion velocity of citadel torps.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-02-15 22:13:10 UTC
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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2013-02-15 22:14:12 UTC
TheLegion wrote:
Is there any hope in the future that dreadnaughts will be even remotely near balanced? Moros/rev do double the volley damage of nag, and phoenix is just a brick that can't anything unless it's a station webbed and painted.

like remove the 2 citadel torps from the nag and just let it use projectiles.

And improve the explosion velocity of citadel torps.



I refer you to the diagram in Fozzie's dev blog.

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63563/1/Flowchart.jpg

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#4 - 2013-02-15 22:15:23 UTC
If you mean nerf Titans to be tier 2 Dreads then go right ahead.

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TheLegion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-15 22:22:07 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
TheLegion wrote:
Is there any hope in the future that dreadnaughts will be even remotely near balanced? Moros/rev do double the volley damage of nag, and phoenix is just a brick that can't anything unless it's a station webbed and painted.

like remove the 2 citadel torps from the nag and just let it use projectiles.

And improve the explosion velocity of citadel torps.



I refer you to the diagram in Fozzie's dev blog.

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63563/1/Flowchart.jpg


lol

well it is seriously frustrating when volley damage of a moros is over 40,000 and the nagulfar is like 22k. pretty big difference.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6 - 2013-02-15 22:33:39 UTC
They'll get there. I have no doubt Fozzie is well aware of the issues you describe and is not happy about the current state.

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#7 - 2013-02-15 22:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
TheLegion wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
TheLegion wrote:
Is there any hope in the future that dreadnaughts will be even remotely near balanced? Moros/rev do double the volley damage of nag, and phoenix is just a brick that can't anything unless it's a station webbed and painted.

like remove the 2 citadel torps from the nag and just let it use projectiles.

And improve the explosion velocity of citadel torps.



I refer you to the diagram in Fozzie's dev blog.

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63563/1/Flowchart.jpg


lol

well it is seriously frustrating when volley damage of a moros is over 40,000 and the nagulfar is like 22k. pretty big difference.



The alpha is comparable with arty, about ~60k for both ships.

That said dreads do need rebalancing at some point.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#8 - 2013-02-15 22:45:25 UTC
p.nice 101m3/minute.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-15 22:49:45 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-15 22:49:51 UTC
But what does this have to do with Hawaiian style pizza?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-02-15 23:30:14 UTC
Buff dreads by removing docking ability.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#12 - 2013-02-15 23:41:55 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
But what does this have to do with Hawaiian style pizza?



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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#13 - 2013-02-16 00:11:02 UTC
What would you think if they moved capital combat out of the grid and instead made it between grids that are 10s to 100s thousand kilometer apart? Sub-capitals would then be used to target paint the opposing ships for the capital crews.

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Sedition.
#14 - 2013-02-16 00:47:44 UTC
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-16 01:15:15 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS

...

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TheLegion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-02-16 01:28:56 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS



I'd love it if you could back that by eve fit data. Because I'm showing different.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-16 01:38:26 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS


tell us more about your 6bn isk doomsday fodder naglfars

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-16 01:53:12 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS



What are you smoking? Moros is highest dps of them all. Nag and 'phenix' as you call it, are terrible in the damage department vs anything but stationary control towers.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-16 01:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Dark Drifter wrote:
erm phenix, nag are better in the damage department. nag alone with 2artys/2 citidel torps has 80k vollys
phenix is a lot more. way i see it is this

NAG - high DPS / no TANK (primary)
PHENIX - high DPS better tank
MOROS - med DPS strong tank
REV - best tank average DPS

this is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.

the way it ACTUALLY breaks down is like this:

moros: highest DPS by FAR (15k odd), best tracking by FAR, average tank, average cap.
rev: mediocre DPS (10.5k odd), mediocre tracking, good armour tank, best cap.
nag: great shield burst tank, slightly less mediocre dps (11.5k odd), mediocre tracking, worst cap.
phoenix: best tank, mediocre DPS (11k odd), non existent tracking (can only hit structures or stationary caps), bad cap

in all seriousness the moros is far and away the best dread. so much so that all the others are more or less irrelevant these days.

PS: wtf has volley got to do with DPS?

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Sedition.
#20 - 2013-02-16 02:05:29 UTC
assuming all skills level 5 and 2 damage mods per weapon type (per hull)

NAG - 2x cit torp / 2x3500 siege arty 57k/40k vollys for 97k per shot. (weakest tank of the pack)
PRENIX - 3x cit torp launchers (all lows given to gank as shield hull) 86k per shot. (V good tank in siege)
MOROS - 3x ion siege blasters 39k per shot. (best all rounder with good DPS and reduced reload times)
REV - 3x duel gigga pulse 31k per shot. (insane buffer if hull tanked)
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