EVE General Discussion

Ha ha ha, you can triple dog dare me all you want. But you're missing the point. Why would anyone actually go out mining when you have been warned that you will be attacked, and where you will be attacked?

There is absolutely no reason to be mining ice in Gallente highsec. It is utter foolishness. I have consistently instructed players not to hang out there. I would be a hypocrite to post in a forum begging for people to come gank me, and it would most certainly be my fault if I made a mistake and lost my ship after inviting a series of attacks. My advice has consistently been to avoid ganking hotspots, don't advertise your activities or remain predictable, and operate in a quiet system where you can safely dock in time if a threat presents themselves.

If you want me to accept a challenge based on this advice, consider it done. I can tell you right now that I will be mining for at least 3 hours straight at a random time over the weekend, but you'll have to find me on your own. I will be using my D-scanner, and my own alignment tactics, if you find me and gank me you will have proven your point.

That is all I'm asking players to do - to refrain from mining in locations where people have sworn to come kill you. There are plenty of quieter, more remote systems to mine in, where these defensive tactics work even better than they do in highsec. They also work fine in places where suicide ganks are less frequent, including many non-Gallente highsec ice belts, many of the mineral belts, and also the gas clouds.

While i must say this is very sensible i'm starting to doubt about the usefulness of "highsec" when you have to do things just like in low/null/wh's.

LMFAO! Your original post was all about using d-scan and warping away. Now you're making the argument that the problem is going out to mine in the first place.

Random? Why random? It shouldn't matter where or when you mine, only that, using your original post, you stay aligned, keep scanning, and warp off when a PvP ship shows up on scan. Also random is kind of pointless in this scenario, since you (or I) will be posting the pilot name and challenge in C&P. There will be someone online with a locator agent 24/7. The whole point of the challenge is that your "solution" is bogus. When reduced to your original, key point that miners have only themselves to blame, the only thing to test is your method.

So let's start nailing down some rules:
- You mine for 3 continuous, consecutive hours
- No docking, you stay in the belts
- You have to actually mine, lasers stay active while you're in a belt
- You'll give out the name of the mining pilot in advance
- You'll use a mining barge or exhumer
- You (or I) will post the information and challenge in C&P with the thread title "Miner Says No One Can Gank Him"
- You mine in hisec and not a hisec island (hisec space that can only be reached by crossing through low sec or null sec)

I'll have to think this over a bit more to make sure there are no loopholes. Look forward to it.

WTF is up with these forums? Every time you try to post a link to these same forums "HTML not allowed"


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Sorry mate, I'm not going to tell you the name of any my alts, I am part of faction warfare and thus have constant sworn enemies. No challenge to prove myself is worth giving out that intel, I'm not a fool. You are more than welcome to call me a coward if that seems unreasonable to you.

And I never agreed to your scenario, you need to calm down. If you've been following so far, you know that I've said that the warp-out technique works when you are completely focused and attentive, not that you'll never die while attempting to mine with this as your defense mechanism.

Anyone can get a phone call, wife aggro, or any number of distractions that cost them a ship during a dangerous situation. No sense in crying about it when it happens. It is a random variable that has no relevance on the argument at hand, cause it can happen while attempting any activity in the game. However if you think I'm going to create arbitrary danger, and subject myself to the risk of such distractions, in order to prove myself to someone who refuses to believe these mechanics work as intended, you're simply daft.

I know I'm a disappointment Re: "The Challenge", but you simply misunderstood my initial post as a claim to complete and utter invincibility.

Why should you be staring at mining lasers for 15 consecutive minutes every time?!
At least let them make it a bit more interesting!!?

Same here, I thought it was especially designed to cater semi-afk players - as you couldn't possibly imagine people seriously doing that for hours while at the keyboard!!

THE HORROR!

I hope you're not referring to me because I don't mine.
Mining in EVE must be the most mindnumbing activity ever introduced in a game. Seriously.

I just find it kind of tough for the poor grimy miners who already do their boring jobs for such pitiable wages!

I'm not afk, I am reading a book while mining. If reds spawn, I'll see them, restract my mining drones, send out my hobgoblins to clear them off, and resume mining. I'll change out bad crystals. I'll warp back to the station to unload my cargo. You can do all that and still relax reading a book while mining.

You can't read a book while mining and spam the damned D-scanner, staying aligned the whole time...to do that you have to pay 100% attention 100% of the time. It's like torture. I'd rather not play at all than have to do that while mining.

And that is precisely what this ganking is all about: economics. Some idiots get their jollies blowing up mining boats and think they are elite PvP'ers. Many others, like the Goons, use it as a tool to drive miners out of the game so their own bots, in the safety of 0.0. (yeah, I lived in 0.0 and it is VERY safe to mine in protected systems. Dead end system with cyno jammer up, and tons of static bubbles on the gate) can make big coin.