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James 315 - An Apology and an Appeal
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#321 - 2013-02-15 14:24:17 UTC
Laura Valu wrote:
So I should stop having BADWRONG fun. Got it. Everything should be PVP all the time forever and anything that takes away from that is KILLING EVE OMG. The weirdest part is, you guys don't seem to really want PVP. Not really. If you wanted actual fights, you would be out in null, or W-Space. What you want is to shoot at noobs in mining barges, using ships specifically designed to be expendable, and then chest beat about how you showed those wimpy carebears.


This post is full of fallacies and hypocrisy. For a start, wanting to blow up idiots in highsec is as valid a form of PVP as being part of a giant fleet fighting over sov in null. It's all pvp, it's all valid. The fact you try to discredit the pvp (when scummy bot aspirants are the victim) as even being pvp at all is dishonest. The fact that you want people who want to pvp to leave highsec to do it makes you a hypocrite.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#322 - 2013-02-15 14:33:09 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Nicely written, easy to see the comparisons swell. Had this been a blog people might not have bitched so much. I have to say I agree with what your saying, high sec is slowly changing for the worse but if they can balance income rewards for low sec all these problems will go away. Reduce belt numbers I'm high sec, reduce the number of high sec systems, move level 4s to new low sec areas along with manufacturing slots and make the high sec empires into high sec islands with risky areas to travel through between racial hubs. That way hi can be super safe but anyone wanting to make risk has to either TEAM UP and work together or take risks. Low sec thrives and eve wins


Highsec systems are already pretty crowded, forcing those players into more congested systems seems like it would be unpleasant. It might be nice to relax security in some of the lower highsec systems, do away with faction police in .5 and .6 maybe.

And on the other side; null is too isolated. It would be nice to have "no bubble" null areas. And more options for docking in null. That would allow people to work out there without sov, and the powers that "own" that territory would have to actively defend it, rather than just harvesting resources.
Lexmana
#323 - 2013-02-15 15:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
A good read I must say. And totally in the spirit of James himself. I hope CCP take notice and don't ever forget what happened to UO .
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#324 - 2013-02-15 15:28:32 UTC
Fighting for a risk-free high sec is a worthy cause, carebears! All the hardcore neckbeards will have their lowsec and nullsec, and if we don't want part of that risk, well, that's not our problem.

Maybe if they stop blueing each other, they'd get the fights they're looking for.

FIGHTING FOR A THEMEPARK EVE!
Josef Djugashvilis
#325 - 2013-02-15 15:31:00 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Fighting for a risk-free high sec is a worthy cause, carebears! All the hardcore neckbeards will have their lowsec and nullsec, and if we don't want part of that risk, well, that's not our problem.

Maybe if they stop blueing each other, they'd get the fights they're looking for.

FIGHTING FOR A THEMEPARK EVE!


^^ Hopeless trolling.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#326 - 2013-02-15 15:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Thor Kerrigan
Sariah Kion wrote:

"Self-entitled high sec bears could never HTFU so they went about their unintentional destruction of Eve. Oblivious to everything from the early stages these bears petitioned to take the game down and after spending years and millions of SP's and finally realizing this is not hello kitty online adventure"


Fixed that for you.
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#327 - 2013-02-15 15:50:55 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Fighting for a risk-free high sec is a worthy cause, carebears! All the hardcore neckbeards will have their lowsec and nullsec, and if we don't want part of that risk, well, that's not our problem.

Maybe if they stop blueing each other, they'd get the fights they're looking for.

FIGHTING FOR A THEMEPARK EVE!


^^ Hopeless trolling.

No, not trolling. There is no other decent themepark sci fi MMO out there, so carebears have made their home in EVE and are trying their best to make it the way they want.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#328 - 2013-02-15 15:55:46 UTC
EVE's version of scientology or something?


Tl;DR
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#329 - 2013-02-15 16:07:09 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.


99%? You got proof/data to back up that number?


Please explain to me exactly what ISN'T some form of PVP in EVE.

fail (as usual tho).

To give proofs of your "99% PVP" you need to give a list of activities, attach it to PVP/PVE and then calculate.
Or simply give a link to place where it was made already.

Your variant is just evading question. And failed from start.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#330 - 2013-02-15 16:11:50 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.


99%? You got proof/data to back up that number?


Please explain to me exactly what ISN'T some form of PVP in EVE.

fail (as usual tho).

To give proofs of your "99% PVP" you need to give a list of activities, attach it to PVP/PVE and then calculate.
Or simply give a link to place where it was made already.

Your variant is just evading question. And failed from start.


There are thousands upon thousands of activities in EVE, and the vast majority of them are PVP. It's easier to address which ones aren't. I took the two most commonly suggested and showed how they are PVP too.

So I'm revising my statements, EVE is 100% PVP. Unless you can present me with a single, truly PVE activity
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#331 - 2013-02-15 16:16:16 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
So I'm revising my statements, EVE is 100% PVP. Unless you can present me with a single, truly PVE activity
I fully intended to respond to this with some obscure silly activity that is technically a PvE only activity, but I actually can't think of one.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#332 - 2013-02-15 16:35:45 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
What is so good about Bumping a Miner?


What bumping? Damn I always understood humping...fuQ that I quit!

And
OP is right with every assumption made.

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Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#333 - 2013-02-15 16:36:23 UTC
Dear friends, this is a glorious occasion. Look at how we have all been brought together by the peace and love offered by the Code. You each have shown that you care about the Code enough to come here and debate your understanding of various nuances of the Code, even if you are not yet part of the New Order. This is stupendous, and should be celebrated! Even those of you who argue that you still mistakenly think you should be left to steal ice from New Order space while you mine unpermitted while watching movies or taking naps have been brought together by the understanding and tranquility the New Order represents.

My spirits are once again uplifted by seeing familiar faces, including those who once again make coy and playful statements that they've never heard of the New Order, or that the New Order has no effect on them. We readily accept your flirting, seeing as though many of you are once again posting in a thread about the New Order. If, truly, the New Order has not inspired you as it has done so with so many others, you would not be at this fine gathering today!

I am also pleased to see so many people having fun with the comedic notion that everyone is an alt of James 315, and that I, as one of these apparently infinite alts, single handedly comprise all of Goonswarm. It would be a grand gag, indeed, for one person to command such a great army of clones and personalities unbeknownst to the rest of the population. This joke is great, for by making it, you acknowledge the genius and leadership of James 315 to extents no mortal could actually attain. The Savior of HighSec is indeed a great man. Everyone in this thread is surely an alt of the Supreme Protector.

We of the Order are pleased that our efforts to bring the community together are being so well accepted. The Agents and Knights of the Order spend much time ensuring that everyone, like the OP, can have the proper time to reflect upon the Code, and what it means to them. The Code works in mysterious ways at times, and it is up to each of us to determine how it affects our daily lives.

It is naught but the leadership, wisdom, and grace of the illustrious James that has brought us together today.




Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2013-02-15 16:42:34 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:

No, not trolling. There is no other decent themepark sci fi MMO out there, so carebears have made their home in EVE and are trying their best to make it the way they want.


That survey I did basically says this, I'll try to get it into a readable format by the end of the weekend.

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Laura Valu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#335 - 2013-02-15 16:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Laura Valu
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Laura Valu wrote:
So I should stop having BADWRONG fun. Got it. Everything should be PVP all the time forever and anything that takes away from that is KILLING EVE OMG. The weirdest part is, you guys don't seem to really want PVP. Not really. If you wanted actual fights, you would be out in null, or W-Space. What you want is to shoot at noobs in mining barges, using ships specifically designed to be expendable, and then chest beat about how you showed those wimpy carebears.


Despite the platform and rhetoric, the Code and the ideas behind it are not about dogfight PvP or destroying miners. They are about in game options to interact with other players. Over the years those options have narrowed, whether by in game mechanics or through emergent game play.

Much of that direction has been fueled by meta-gaming, the Code is an attempt to put the creation of more options for interaction in the game. Some of those options will lead to loss and destruction. But that is better than stagnation from the POV of James and co. and a lot of highsec bears to.





I want to clarify that I have no problem with what he is doing per se; I simply find some of the rhetoric disingenuous. If someone wants to get a bunch of friends together and start a protection racket, that’s fine. Eve is a sandbox game, and while that’s not really my cup of tea, I sort of like that that’s possible.

Just don’t expect the rest of us to agree when they trumpet about how they are somehow protecting all that is right and good. The Hulkageddon people are also annoying, but at least they are completely honest about their motivations.
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#336 - 2013-02-15 16:46:02 UTC
Laura Valu wrote:

I want to clarify that I have no problem with what he is doing per se; I simply find some of the rhetoric disingenuous. If someone wants to get a bunch of friends together and start a protection racket, that’s fine. Eve is a sandbox game, I while that’s not really my cup of tea, I sort of like that that’s possible.

Just don’t expect the rest of us to agree when they trumpet about how they are somehow protecting all that is right and good. The Hulkageddon people are also annoying, but at least they are completely honest about their motivations.


Yet this post seemingly talks about the enforcement actions, not the Code itself:

Laura Valu wrote:
So I should stop having BADWRONG fun. Got it. Everything should be PVP all the time forever and anything that takes away from that is KILLING EVE OMG. The weirdest part is, you guys don't seem to really want PVP. Not really. If you wanted actual fights, you would be out in null, or W-Space. What you want is to shoot at noobs in mining barges, using ships specifically designed to be expendable, and then chest beat about how you showed those wimpy carebears.


Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2013-02-15 16:52:02 UTC
Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:
Maybe if they stop blueing each other, they'd get the fights they're looking for.
< Least blues of any sovholding alliance in 0.0

now what?
Tesal
#338 - 2013-02-15 16:52:21 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Dear friends, this is a glorious occasion. Look at how we have all been brought together by the peace and love offered by the Code. You each have shown that you care about the Code enough to come here and debate your understanding of various nuances of the Code, even if you are not yet part of the New Order. This is stupendous, and should be celebrated! Even those of you who argue that you still mistakenly think you should be left to steal ice from New Order space while you mine unpermitted while watching movies or taking naps have been brought together by the understanding and tranquility the New Order represents.

My spirits are once again uplifted by seeing familiar faces, including those who once again make coy and playful statements that they've never heard of the New Order, or that the New Order has no effect on them. We readily accept your flirting, seeing as though many of you are once again posting in a thread about the New Order. If, truly, the New Order has not inspired you as it has done so with so many others, you would not be at this fine gathering today!

I am also pleased to see so many people having fun with the comedic notion that everyone is an alt of James 315, and that I, as one of these apparently infinite alts, single handedly comprise all of Goonswarm. It would be a grand gag, indeed, for one person to command such a great army of clones and personalities unbeknownst to the rest of the population. This joke is great, for by making it, you acknowledge the genius and leadership of James 315 to extents no mortal could actually attain. The Savior of HighSec is indeed a great man. Everyone in this thread is surely an alt of the Supreme Protector.

We of the Order are pleased that our efforts to bring the community together are being so well accepted. The Agents and Knights of the Order spend much time ensuring that everyone, like the OP, can have the proper time to reflect upon the Code, and what it means to them. The Code works in mysterious ways at times, and it is up to each of us to determine how it affects our daily lives.

It is naught but the leadership, wisdom, and grace of the illustrious James that has brought us together today.


Are you being serious?




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Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#339 - 2013-02-15 16:54:38 UTC
Tesal wrote:

Are you being serious?


Friend Tesal, can you deny that we would not be having this exchange without the glory of the New Order lighting the way for us?

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Tesal
#340 - 2013-02-15 17:00:56 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Are you being serious?


Friend Tesal, can you deny that we would not be having this exchange without the glory of the New Order lighting the way for us?


Seriously. The cult speak is a bit over the top.