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James 315 - An Apology and an Appeal
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#301 - 2013-02-15 09:18:29 UTC
Vaeliel wrote:
THE APOLOGY

James, I'm sorry.

Insane wall of text



I see you truly like him so much that you have been transfigurated into his avatar and post similar walls of text. Twisted

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Xanthe Isgar
Doomheim
#302 - 2013-02-15 09:58:47 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You are part of the problem, highsec never has been and should never be a PvP free zone, non consensual or otherwise. The only people exempt from PvP are newbies, and even then only when in their starter systems or running the SoE arc for the first time.


No, I am not part of the problem. I fully accept that nowhere in Eve is "safe". I fully accept that the moment I undock, I am a potential target. I fully accept that this is a sandbox game and all that entails. I fully accept the game as it has been presented to me. And THAT, is where you and I start to differ.

Truth is, posting on the forums with an alt is part of my emergent gameplay.

It's amusing to me to watch people squirm and whine.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#303 - 2013-02-15 10:17:20 UTC
Xanthe Isgar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You are part of the problem, highsec never has been and should never be a PvP free zone, non consensual or otherwise. The only people exempt from PvP are newbies, and even then only when in their starter systems or running the SoE arc for the first time.


No, I am not part of the problem. I fully accept that nowhere in Eve is "safe". I fully accept that the moment I undock, I am a potential target. I fully accept that this is a sandbox game and all that entails. I fully accept the game as it has been presented to me. And THAT, is where you and I start to differ.

Truth is, posting on the forums with an alt is part of my emergent gameplay.

It's amusing to me to watch people squirm and whine.


If you accept all of that, then we don't differ that much at all.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#304 - 2013-02-15 12:04:49 UTC
If what you have to say spans more than one post,

(CONTINUE READING TO PART TWO)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2013-02-15 12:05:26 UTC
Part Two

you must surely be a James 315 alt, because [???]
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#306 - 2013-02-15 12:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I hate these New World Order bull posts.

On the forums they come up or get mentioned continuously, but the actual game I don't think I have spoken to anyone who has even heard of him. James369 is a nobody. He has little to no impact on Eve, he just managed to appear to, by getting his bum buddies (read alts) to spam the forums.

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Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#307 - 2013-02-15 12:27:42 UTC
tl;dr: I just got bumped and boy is my brain clean!
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#308 - 2013-02-15 12:27:45 UTC
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.
Josef Djugashvilis
#309 - 2013-02-15 12:47:10 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.


The problem some pvpers have, is simply accepting the fact that the overwhelming majority of miners accept that they can be ganked anywhere anytime, and simply regard it as part of their business costs.

Mind you, perhaps for some pvpers, tough guy posting about a virtually non-existent issue is a part of their tough guy self-image in the game.

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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#310 - 2013-02-15 12:56:35 UTC
Nicely written, easy to see the comparisons swell. Had this been a blog people might not have bitched so much. I have to say I agree with what your saying, high sec is slowly changing for the worse but if they can balance income rewards for low sec all these problems will go away. Reduce belt numbers I'm high sec, reduce the number of high sec systems, move level 4s to new low sec areas along with manufacturing slots and make the high sec empires into high sec islands with risky areas to travel through between racial hubs. That way hi can be super safe but anyone wanting to make risk has to either TEAM UP and work together or take risks. Low sec thrives and eve wins
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#311 - 2013-02-15 13:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Dismissing James as a Goon has some problems; his stated objectives will work as hard against the Goons as they do against highsec bears. The Code is currently applied to highsec for RP and cohesion, but the impetus behind the Code will be just as disrupting to operations in null when it is applied there. And in point of that fact many highsec bears actually seem to have little problem with the foundations of the Code, only about who it is currently applied to.
Crumplecorn wrote:

With regard to the carebear playstyle, if you mean putting it back to the level it was at in the past (and then hopefully moving focus on to fixing lowsec/0.0), sure, why not? I wouldn't seriously advocate for the removal of highsec or something extreme like that because, as you say, EVE was always intended to have some level of carebearing.

Sariah Kion wrote:
some of these low and null sec types need to HTFU!!!!
I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

The mechanics of Eve currently prevent a lot of interaction; things like very powerful faction police on one side, and 20 jumps through very hostile space on the other. Arguments that “the FP have always been there, deal with it.” Or “We fought for our space , we earned peace and quiet.” While true, may not actually make for the most interesting scenario’s.

Sariah Kion wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
.... I'd go as far as to say that a large number are null and lowsec mains, with the remainder being made up of highsec players, some are highsec gankers by nature, some are highsec miners who are having a laugh removing their competition from the field, while others like myself were bored with highsec and have already lived in wormholes, roamed through lowsec and annoyed the incumbents in null. .....



I dont disagree with much you just posted honestly.

There is many rewarding things in game that cant be accomplished in high sec that is only available in low and null. I think there need to be work done to null and sov.

I AM for changes like you suggest as long as they come with changes to sov and null that dislodge the "blue for days" mentality that was breed by greed and bad game mechanics.


Putting our in game differences aside there are some things that people in this thread seem to agree on:

-Meta-gaming is bad for the game as a whole, because it leads to advantage, not a good game system.

-Conversation has gotten to the point where it is difficult to separate Meta-gaming from actual conversation about what makes a great game.

-Most gamers play Eve for the interactive content, when options to interact with and to challenge other players are removed the game becomes less engaging, less Eve like.

If arguments and ideas are immediately dismissed based on the assumption that they are in fact meta-gaming then we as game players will never be able to explain to game developers what it is that we would like to see.
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#312 - 2013-02-15 13:12:45 UTC
Stopped reading after THE APOLOGY. Whatta facking screwball that anyone would think we want to read that much what is likely, a bunch of drivel...
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2013-02-15 13:20:52 UTC
Vaeliel wrote:
... brilliantly executed troll on a scale not seen in High Sec before. ...

exactly!

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#314 - 2013-02-15 13:22:05 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.


99%? You got proof/data to back up that number?
Louise Antwoord
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2013-02-15 13:31:51 UTC
wholeheartedly agree. this and do something with the already established blueitall titanthemepark
Laura Valu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2013-02-15 13:36:53 UTC
So I should stop having BADWRONG fun. Got it. Everything should be PVP all the time forever and anything that takes away from that is KILLING EVE OMG. The weirdest part is, you guys don't seem to really want PVP. Not really. If you wanted actual fights, you would be out in null, or W-Space. What you want is to shoot at noobs in mining barges, using ships specifically designed to be expendable, and then chest beat about how you showed those wimpy carebears.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#317 - 2013-02-15 14:19:35 UTC
See my signature for why I think that James315's agenda is stupid.

On the other hand, his actions are just fine. This is a PvP game, go PvP your heart out and try to find new and creative ways to do so.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#318 - 2013-02-15 14:20:44 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
lmao at approximately three out of every four posts being either goonspiracy garbage, claiming anyone who even partly agrees with James an alt, or whining about PVPers in a game that is 99% PVP.


99%? You got proof/data to back up that number?


Please explain to me exactly what ISN'T some form of PVP in EVE.

Mining? Depletes resources others would use, the minerals being sold or used in manufacturing competes with others who sell and manufacture, etc

Missioning? There's the loot/salvage that ends up on the market again competing with other traders, manufacturers, etc. Even if you don't bother with that and just take the bounties... well, the second you use that isk to buy anything of the market you're affecting the availability and price of modules and ships.

Etc.

I guess talking in chat channels and ship spinning in a noob ship are things that don't count as PVP
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#319 - 2013-02-15 14:23:28 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I guess talking in chat channels and ship spinning in a noob ship are things that don't count as PVP
That depends on what you say in the chat channel.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#320 - 2013-02-15 14:23:40 UTC
Laura Valu wrote:
So I should stop having BADWRONG fun. Got it. Everything should be PVP all the time forever and anything that takes away from that is KILLING EVE OMG. The weirdest part is, you guys don't seem to really want PVP. Not really. If you wanted actual fights, you would be out in null, or W-Space. What you want is to shoot at noobs in mining barges, using ships specifically designed to be expendable, and then chest beat about how you showed those wimpy carebears.


Despite the platform and rhetoric, the Code and the ideas behind it are not about dogfight PvP or destroying miners. They are about in game options to interact with other players. Over the years those options have narrowed, whether by in game mechanics or through emergent game play.

Much of that direction has been fueled by meta-gaming, the Code is an attempt to put the creation of more options for interaction in the game. Some of those options will lead to loss and destruction. But that is better than stagnation from the POV of James and co. and a lot of highsec bears to.