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PLEX for … CCP (trolling shirts)

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#1 - 2011-10-25 05:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
How many of you, given the chance, would vote in a poll from CCP about whether funds should be dedicated to "Walking in Stations" versus "DUST/EVE Link"? Assume that the outcome of the poll would have any/some/significant influence on CCP's decision making.

How many of you would make a choice between "engine trails" versus "hybrid rebalance" (I know it's a done deal, but bear with me)?

What if CCP released "token shirts" through the NeX?

As an example, they're coming up to a go/no-go decision about Feature A vs Feature B. So they introduce two new shirts into the NeX: an orange shirt with a big white "A" emblazoned over it, or a green shirt with a big white "B" emblazoned over it. You "vote" for your choice by buying the shirt and setting your character's profile to include Shirt A or Shirt B. Or for the choice of which tier 3 battlecruiser to give an exposé on next, they could release four new shirts: each of them grey with the empire logos on them. Same deal: recustomise your character to indicate which choice you are opting for. CCP could then get a feel of customer sentiment by checking how many characters are wearing a particular shirt on polling day!

Even better players could use these "token shirts" as trolling material in-game (in the real world, we'd call it an "ice breaker" or "conversation starter"). Perhaps you might end up declaring war on orange shirts, or going out of your way to suicide gank all red-shirts (with sincere apologies to those caught up in the Thai unrest recently).

This could also work as a way to reward CCP for simply communicating to us. In order to release the shirts, they'd have to tell us, "Hey guys, we're looking at these two options for future development: go or no go? Here are some shirts to help you decide." The reward to CCP would be the fact that they get more RL funds from giving us the shirts to buy.

Is this a totally stupid braindead idea that will unfairly bias CCP's decision making to the will of the players with the most ISK/money/alts?

Is there any merit in the idea at all, or am I just a lunatic without a clue? If there is some merit, what would be your cut-off price? If there were four such decisions posted per year, would you be able to afford to participate in the shirt-wearing frenzy for $1/shirt? $10/shirt?

Remember, this is not about democracy, this is about displaying a general disposition of customer sentiment. I would expect that the portion of the population that will participate in buying these shirts would either be RL-rich or ISK-rich, and not necessarily indicative of the sentiment of the whole customer-base. But at least it would be a talking point, an opportunity to get a souvenir item ("I was there!"), and a means of egging people into fights ("Gallente fanboys must die! We wanted the Caldari T3 battlecruiser! RAAARGH!").

Of course, the fights bit might me more meaningful if NeX items were destructible. *sigh*
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-25 05:22:54 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

Is this a totally stupid braindead idea that will unfairly bias CCP's decision making to the will of the players with the most ISK/money/alts?

That and people with lots of IRL money. Yea, its stupid and braindead.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#3 - 2011-10-25 05:27:47 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
That and people with lots of IRL money. Yea, its stupid and braindead.


So you'd never gank someone for spending RL money on a NeX store item? You'd never blow up someone's ship just because you enjoy the satisfaction of kicking someone's sand castle down? If you saw a kestrel full of PLEX leaving Jita 4-4, you would bid them god speed and wish them well?
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-25 05:48:51 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
That and people with lots of IRL money. Yea, its stupid and braindead.


So you'd never gank someone for spending RL money on a NeX store item? You'd never blow up someone's ship just because you enjoy the satisfaction of kicking someone's sand castle down? If you saw a kestrel full of PLEX leaving Jita 4-4, you would bid them god speed and wish them well?

I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting a pay-to-vote system that defined eves future.

Are we talking across purposes?

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#5 - 2011-10-25 05:55:37 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting a pay-to-vote system that defined eves future.

Are we talking across purposes?


Possibly. What I was describing was a "pay to express sentiment" concept so that CCP could have some means of (a) communicating vague future plans and being rewarded for it, and (b) players to express their sentiment ("vote" is probably a bad word in this context), and (c) CCP to get some coarse measure of player sentiment.

i.e.: "Hey boss, here's a graph showing the number of orange shirts currently worn, the number of red shirts currently worn, and the cumulative total of the number of orange shirts killed by red shirts, and the number of red shirts killed by orange shirts."

"Wow... I guess people really want us to focus on improving faction warfare rather than adding new ships to the NeX?"

So rather than exploding all over the forums at our community managers, we could explode all over the game at each other!

Thus "trolling shirts" Pirate
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-25 06:02:12 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


Possibly. What I was describing was a "pay to express sentiment" concept

The problem is that that's not how it will go down. If CCP demonstrates that they don't always listen when people pay for these shirts, then people won't buy the shirts.

OTOH, if CCP demonstrates that they do listen, then more people will buy the shirts.

Therefore, if they do what the majority of shirt buyers ask every time, then they will get more income.

Thinking about it, it could be a fun idea if applied to irrelevant parts of the game. For example, if you plan to remodel all the ships in the game, you could take votes on which ones to remodel first this way.

But I wouldn't use it for balance, gameplay or game direction choices. That's for too important to risk that kind of corruption.

For the record, I think forehead tattoos of big A's and B's would be far more amusing.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-25 13:17:52 UTC
What's wrong with just doing a forum poll?

I mean if this forum has taught us anything, it's that Eve Online players have absolutely no problem sharing their opinions for free. They can't give them away fast enough.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2011-10-25 20:13:15 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
What's wrong with just doing a forum poll?


A forum poll doesn't give you the opportunity to wear your heart on your sleeve in the same fashion that an obnoxious t-shirt does.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-26 00:19:43 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
What's wrong with just doing a forum poll?


A forum poll doesn't give you the opportunity to wear your heart on your sleeve in the same fashion that an obnoxious t-shirt does.


Considering the amazing monocle rage, I've rather come around to the idea, provided, as I said before, its not used for anything game critical.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#10 - 2011-10-26 05:20:23 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Considering the amazing monocle rage, I've rather come around to the idea, provided, as I said before, its not used for anything game critical.


Well, I imagine it will help to deflect a lot of forum rage into in-game rage, which can then be vented using the usual in-game mechanisms.

People like me could, for example, parade around in "white knight" ship skins or t-shirts or whatever, allowing the bitter vets to focus their rage against the optimists and CCP loyalists, have fun while doing so, and simultaneously allow CCP some means of gauging "consumer sentiment". (No, seriously, give me a "white knight" ship mod or skin which makes the ship I'm flying obviously flown by a fanatical CCP supporter — white engine trails for example)

I agree that it should not be taken seriously as a statistical measure, but might at least indicate that a particular decision is not as popular as they hoped, and that some more market research is obviously needed.
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-26 09:03:54 UTC
Basing your research on the number of people wearing an obnoxious t-shirt just gives you the opinions of people inclined to wear obnoxious t-shirts in an internet spaceship game (and I guess pay real money for said t-shirts). Not exactly a representative poll.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2011-10-26 14:22:36 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Not exactly a representative poll.


Not a survey, not a poll. Simply a gauge of consumer sentiment. You're exactly right, it will only measure the number of people who care enough to pony up for a particular flavour item, but correlating stats as to how many wearers of item B are willing to suicide or wardec wearers of item A might reveal more.

Failing all else, it's a way for the passive-aggressive set to state an opinion without hurling abuse at community members, and provides more opportunity to troll for reactions in-game than a monocle (which is a single-issue statement relating to an issue which has been done to death).

Thus the "polariser" t-shirts could act both as a means of expressing an opinion, and a focus for the rage of those who disagree with that opinion, in a way that a statue can not.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#13 - 2011-10-26 17:33:37 UTC
Most the time EVE players will just take to the forums and cry for days or go to Jita and shoot a monument (... yeah, shooting a monument) to make CCP do what they want. They would do that in a microsecond before ever buying a shirt with a letter on it.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-26 18:28:57 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Not exactly a representative poll.


Not a survey, not a poll. Simply a gauge of consumer sentiment. You're exactly right, it will only measure the number of people who care enough to pony up for a particular flavour item, but correlating stats as to how many wearers of item B are willing to suicide or wardec wearers of item A might reveal more.

Failing all else, it's a way for the passive-aggressive set to state an opinion without hurling abuse at community members, and provides more opportunity to troll for reactions in-game than a monocle (which is a single-issue statement relating to an issue which has been done to death).

Thus the "polariser" t-shirts could act both as a means of expressing an opinion, and a focus for the rage of those who disagree with that opinion, in a way that a statue can not.


The fact remains that it's still only representative of those people inclined to spend money to express their opinions. Why should I do that when I can express my opinions for free all day long on the forums?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#15 - 2011-10-26 18:45:41 UTC
If only they made a shirt that said "T.I." for your toon to wear. Because this is a terrible idea, and you should be on display for it.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2012-01-01 04:23:34 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
If only they made a shirt that said "T.I." for your toon to wear. Because this is a terrible idea, and you should be on display for it.


You have obviously never considered wearing a "Choose Life" shirt to a funeral, or a Megadeth shirt to Church to **** off the conservatives.