EVE New Citizens Q&A

Must... fight... urge... troll... warrior... oh gawd... EERRNGHHURR URRRGHEEEUUHH

You're about to ask for money aren't you?


Yep, definitely going to ask for money.


There are non-combat agents you know.


This is demonstrably false.


There are other forms of combat besides missions you know. Not to mention miners don't make all that much. Good traders make a lot, but they have their market taxes to worry about. Manufacturing also has its own taxes to worry about.

Okay, to be honest I stopped reading here. The above isn't making me optimistic about the remainder of the post.

Edit: And to be honest, it isn't Eve's problem to fix. Your CEO needs to. Does your corp make anything? If so, why not buy the minerals from your own miners at a discount to make up for the lack of tax?

I beg to differ on the point about a mission runner never being able to afford PLEX, I play a couple of hours a day, my main income is mission rewards, loot and cashing out my LP, supplemented by a little PI and the occasional corporation sale, very rarely do I have to part with real life cash to be able to continue my subscription. Admittedly it took me a number of months and a fair bit of grind to be able to do so, but it is totally within the realms of possibility to pay your sub with in game cash while playing on a casual basis.

Mission running isn't a warrior class btw, for one, there are no classes in Eve, and two, you're essentially farming, with guns. When you start going up against other players instead of NPCs then you might be able to consider yourself a warrior but you'll get laughed at if you say it in public

Miners make at most 5-10 million an hour in highsec, you can easily double if not quadruple that mission running. Traders earn money in direct relation to how much research and effort they put into it.

^^ True, assets and investment in assets plays a huge part in a traders earning potential.

A caracal should be good for L2s, for L3s, you might want to look into getting a battlecruiser (some might even recommend battleships, but it differs, of course).

If you are going with missiles, then a Drake might be a nice next step, with the Raven (and later Raven Navy Issue).

With reference to mission income, level 4 missions is where the money is at, it takes time to grind the standing to get there though.

If you're currently running level 2's your income is going to be on the low side, every mission you complete for an agent (who is part of a corporation, that is in turn aligned with a faction) gives a minor agent and corporation standings boost. Every 16 missions you run of a particular type (eg security) at the same level for a particular faction results in you being contacted by another agent with what is known as a faction mission, these are essential to boosting your faction standings and in turn your other standings (yep 3 different sets of standings to worry about ) and will eventually open up the next tier of agents.

You can also chain missions, basically this involves accepting several missions and doing them one after the other, most missions have a bonus reward if you complete them in a certain time frame, start with the shortest time frame and work your way through to the longest. It's actually quite easy to run 3 or 4 missions an hour if not more with the lower level ones once you get on a roll, doing that for a couple of hours a day means you can roll a faction mission at least 2 or 3 times a week.

You're best of sticking to working for one of the 4 main factions in this respect. If one of your corpmates has access to a higher tier of agent then you can "fleet" up with them for missions and share the resulting standing, cash and LP rewards, if you do this you'll find that the standings increase is better than what you're getting at the moment simply because the missions are of a "harder" nature, if you're lucky your cut of the cash and LP may be better as as well.

Depending on which faction you're running missions for, if you haven't already done so, run through all the tutorials with a tutorial agent from that faction, if it's for example the Amarr faction, run the Amarr tutorial missions, you can even run them multiple times for the same faction by using the 3 sets of tutorial agents of that faction. Completion of each of the tutorial mission arcs gives a significant standings boost to that faction, not to mention free ships and skill books, free stuff is good.

I would also suggest doing the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc, and choosing the faction you normally run missions for as your ally in the penultimate mission (you'll probably need help from other players with this, ask in local, someone will generally help you out, as the guy you have to kill is pretty tough). The standings boost is very significant at the end, and over the whole mission arc (50 odd missions in total that will send you all over high security space) you'll receive about 13 million isk in rewards, if you loot and salvage that jumps to about 20 million isk. You can run this particular mission arc once every 3 months, and it's worth doing so if you're a mission runner, even if it's just to increase standings, it gets easy & quicker every time you do it, because you'll have better ships and more game knowledge to help you out.

If you have any questions about standings, the epic arc or newbie stuff in general, I suggest posting in the New Citizens Q & A subforum, you're unlikely to get trolled and because it's full of newbies people tend to very helpful. I see that you've had an account since 08, from your questions and the fact that you're running level 2 missions I'm presuming you've taken a significant break from Eve, which is why I'm suggesting the newbie subforum.

Hope this is helpful to you

Edit: 4 daughters, I hope you possess a really big stick, you're going to need it eventually.

To make enough to buy PLEX with you'll need to be able to run level 4's quickly and efficiently and you'll need to train up the mission skills that increase the payout from them. You might want to think about taking up salvaging and getting a Noctis. That will let you get even more ISK from your missions. Sounds like you're doing what you're supposed to. You're just expecting too much too soon. If you stick with it you'll get there eventually.

Oh dear... where to start.


Trading takes a fair bit of time to learn and set up initially... but once you get a grasp of things it can be one of the least time consuming things you can do.

For instance... I haul ships and mods between high-security (1.0 to 0.5 space) trade hubs to low-security (0.4 to 0.1 space) systems and sell stuff to pirates, outlates, and faction warfare pilots at a premium.

Also... understand that there are no "classes" in EVE the same way they exist in other MMOs. No skills or "specialties" prevent you from accessing other "skill trees" and you can often do multiple things at the same time on the same character.

Another example... I'm in Faction Warfare and blow up (and get blown up) regularly. But I also do trading at the same time. All I have to do is allot certain times for certain activities (either "pew pew" or haul stuff around) and manage it accordingly (if I am low on money, do more trading... if I'm flush with cash, do more combat).


1a. Bear in mind that anyone who focuses strictly on industry and trading will pay their own form of "taxes" later on when they fall under the crosshairs of a combat oriented person. If you focus on combat (even just PvE combat) then you are less than half a step away from being PvP-viable and thus able to defend yourself. All you have to do is refit your ship(s).

2a. Yes... combat oriented activities are usually expensive to set up initially. But the payouts are also relatively higher and more consistent (a trader, miner, or industrialist is subject to the whims of the player-run market).

3a. A proper level 4 missioning ship can pull in about 30 to 60 million a mission... depending on how efficient you are. Level 1 through 3 missions are more of a "mean to an end"... the end being level 4 missions.


I do agree with this to a point. But bear in mind that people in EVE have a nasty tendency to find workarounds and avoid "paying their dues"... especially since making alts is so easy in this game.


Respect must be earned, not given. And in focusing your efforts on firing your guns/launchers more effectively you can FORCE people to respect you more. And even net a pretty penny doing it too (pro-tip: ransoming, blackmail, and "gun for hire" are legitimate ways of earning money).


"Fight smarter, not harder."
Learn how to use certain ships more effectively and stack the odds in your favor. Don't take unnecessary risks unless you are willing to pay the price.

And other professions also have their risks.
Traders risk their wallets. If they make a bad gamble or pay too much for an item they can't sell, their wallets suffer.
Miners must perform their trade in easily found and predictable locations... making them prime targets for gankers and other hostiles in ships that have limited combat options.
Industrialists have to number crunch (getting as many cheap materials as possible to sell for the lowest price while still remaining profitable), are subject to the same risks that traders are, and need to create their own "starbases" to build more advanced ships/mods... which opens them up to risk from combat oriented people with malicious intent.



As for your missile launcher... buy a batch of the same type of missile launcher... buy large amounts of one or two types of missiles... link your launchers to fire as one... and use the right ammo against the right enemy. No need to use multiple types of ammo and stress about reloading too much.

Not for a second believing the OP is genuine, don't waste your time folks.

*Did not read the replies you had already, but throwing in my opinion*

1.) You do know that miners don't make direct money. They make money by selling the ores/minerals. And the same with traders, they make money with selling stuff. And to sell items (or buy them) you are paying a tax (this tax is an ISK sink, so the money disappears).

2.) A proper corp can also have rules in place where miners also pay the corp in one form or another. One of my previous corporations had a buy back systems where the corp would buy minerals for production at this rate: Jita price - corp tax level. This to make it more equal between the ratters and the miners, and it worked because the miners felt that they were contributing to the corp and agreed to get a bit less payout to prevent the tax from rising and make the ratters moan.

3.) There are NO classes in EVE. Stop using words like warrior or healer. This character can do multiple things. It can mine, produce, be logistic pilot or a DPS grunt. You are only limited by the things you can do by ISK, SP and time, training multiple things takes time, you need ISK to buy the skills for it and the SP invested in them. But in no way are you limited to the different options you can do.

4.) About the difference in income between miners / missioners / traders. You do know that if you compare a high-sec miner to a high-sec mission runner, the mission runner has an income in ISK/hour that is about 4 times as high compared to the miner. The trader can make even more, but he also needs more money to make more money (the lower your investment, the lower the payout).

If you compare a null-sec miner to a null-sec ratter, again the ratter gets a way better income then the miners. So if at all you want to make the difference less, the mission runners should be paid less, not more.

The problem that you are running into is that level 1 and 2 missions (and sometimes even 3) are not profitable, they are used to grind the standings so you can run level 4 missions which pay out pretty well.

5.) Not only mission runners have to buy new ships or upgrade stuff. The same counts for miners, you won't stick with your venture for ever. You need to buy better mining ships, and as soon as you moved to the top tiers, you are done. But the same counts for mission runners, as soon as you have your level 4 mission running boat (and know what you are doing) you won't have to replace it.

6.) To reload guns/missile launchers, right click them on your HUD and select reload (all). But for the love of god, don't use different ammo or guns, it just doesn't work because at no point in any fight you are utilizing the maximum damage possible of your set up.

7.) On your first reply...the biggest issue you look to have is that joined a corp led by someone who himself still hasn't got a clue what he is doing. This means he can't properly run a corp let alone give out help to his members.
I suggest you join a corp that is ran by people with some experience in the game and likely if you join some likeminded people they won't even make a problem of you tagging along on their level 4 missions (and share the rewards and standings so you can do it on your own soon).