EVE General Discussion

Ahhh......another morning, a fresh batch of senseless protest over something completely true, albeit inconvenient for some.

Kobol I respect though - he has a fundamental understanding of game mechanics, is willing to take extra precautions against a known danger, stays aware of his surroundings while playing the game, and doesn't blame everyone else for his misfortunes.

There was lots of entertaining nonsense, thankfully there have been plenty in here (thanks Malcanis, Tippia) willing to save me the time of demonstrating why so many arguments are misfounded.

Apostle - your grievous words injure me! How dare you accuse me of not knowing P - oh wait, I don't need to prove myself to you. Just as plenty here have accused me of never having mined before (totally false), your attempt to discredit my PvP knowledge is also sadly misguided, since regardless of whether my killcount meets your completely arbitrary standard for who can speak about PvP matters, that does not change the fact that the directional scanner remains a completely viable self-defense tool. Facts are facts. At least I'm posting my "nonsense" from my main, and not from an alt. I'll tell you what my alt HAS been up to though - mining ice on a regular basis, to support my personal POS, and to fuel my carriers. I refuse to let Goons, or risk of gank, deter me. I'm not just not about to do this in Gallente highsec, or expect that "asking nicely" is going to work to keep me alive.

"You've never mined" and "You dont have enough kills to know anything about PvP" are not only false statements to begin with, they are also sad misdirection attempts when faced with an inconvenient truth about playing this game. Its not only inconvenient that ganks are allowed by the game mechanics, its also inconvenient to take all the proper precautions to avoid a gank. But it is completely possible.

I wish I had an invulnerability field that made me actually invulnerable, it would certainly increase my killboard count and efficiency. But while having to actually know how to fit and manually pilot ships to stay alive in a combat situation is a necessary skill for PvP success, knowing how to manually pilot a Mackinaw is a necessary skill for successful extraction in a hostile environment, highsec or otherwise.

I am not asking anyone to "bend over and take it". If you had read my posts you'd see I'm advocating quite the opposite. I want miners to push themselves, and try new things. I want them to have the tools they need to enjoy themselves without living in fear, prisoners of their own unwillingness to adapt in a game built around survival of the fittest. Stubbornly refusing to relocate your resource gathering when faced with a threat you could mitigate through common sense piloting very much means that you are asking for trouble. Miners right now have complete freedom to explore new territory in pursuit of profit - they can find quieter areas of highsec, or a quiet corner of lowsec, but while that may make D-scan results less cluttered, it doesn't remove the need to use it in the first place. "That's wrong, people need to not do that" is a truly naive and helpless attitude to have in a game like EvE. It will get you killed, and it will lead to frustration and anger.

Those complaining about the impractical nature of the D-scan - the reason you are being given a hard time is that situational awareness has kept hundreds of thousands of pilots alive in countless situations of every variety, from corner to corner of New Eden, and in and out of wormholes. You are not special because you have a barge, it is not a golden ticket that gets you out of PvP. The sooner you take notes from the other miners in this thread who know how to defend themselves, and refuse to sink to the level of whining about danger, the sooner you can get back to enjoying the game.

And its just that, a game.

All these Apostle-style "but ganks come with no warning at all, they are totally unpredictable" gripes are unfounded. You always have a fraction of a seconds notice, and if you are following the advice in this thread, that's all you need to be safely in warp to a station. You just have to be ready, and watching.

I don't think you really know how ganking in highsec works.

alignment is pointless, you have a better chance of getting to warp when you speed is zero

scan is useless in highsec, you need to cut the range down so far that you have, at most, 3 seconds to react and get to warp, 1.5 sec at worst. that includes time on grid but sitll in warp.

you can make a gank fit on almost any ship from destroyer to BS, there are very few that cannot be fit to gank

please use your head, your math is okish but your logic sucks. to get 30 km of mining time you would have to pass through the roid, at the 15 KM mark, you have just flown your hulk in the middle of the roid field.

I lack any understanding about what I'm talking about, I really need to stop.

Covert tackles as Brutix comes in or miner warms up for warp.

It is all in the timing. Even if you just use the covert as a warp to point, that cuts their miner's reaction time down. If you have a heavy covert, they can bump the miner out of warp too and not get Concorded.

Now you're getting it. The covops can't point the mining ship or concord will get there before the gank because for some strange reason warp disrupting somebody is counted as a hostile act. We're currently working with CCP to fix this.

Sorry if you take that as cowardice.

Cloaked vessel with point in fleet. Nuff said.